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On 2009-11-04 00:45:53, Deron wrote:
I think SE have slightly dropped the ball here from a market point of view...
Missing the xmas period when a lot of people are looking for a new nextgen phone isn't good...
Currently there are options for people who want the newer faster cpu's with multi-tasking and something different to the Apple offerings...
The Droid has come out of nowhere, and we all know about the Palm pre. HTC are one of the best Android developers around but are also committed to WM and they will be announcing the HD2 tomorrow. There's also the Acer liquid...
A lot of next gen machinery all released by xmas available to a receptive market. If you are looking for a phone now...would you be willing to wait until March hoping Sony get it right?
I thought about the Xmas period being missed leading to a big hurt to SE as well. Then I also thought that although users are spending cash ... the success and news of Motorola Cliq/Dext, Motorola Droid in the USA, and other HTC Android devices already on the market will get more traction. The UI is not that appealing vs what's out there. Droid is just getting a frenzy because Motorola is making a comeback and well Engadget/Gizmodo ride on the balls of whomever is paying for their hype (previously it was RIM and all manner of Blackberry's now its Google and Droid). Note that Droid is on a CDMA carrier for USA consumption, the Milestone will be for Euro's and will be a 'milestone' which changes perception of Android in the open consumer marketplace.
By February 2010 more users will know about Android ... I'm not just talking about us geeks or technophobes, but the common user - Your pops/moms/auntie ... younger kids in college/highschool/grade school even. Now you ALL noticed that the first video by
of a user using X10 was a woman into fashion, boyfriend waiting by the motorocycle trying to be cool (and probably getting other girls numbers & a quick ass photo on his Satio). The woman buys it, goes shopping, takes photos of her friends, listens to music SMS' her friends and jumps back on the motorcycle off she goes.
Anyone notice her using any apps other than the core UI experience? Nadda.
Anyone see her watch a video? Nope ... not enough time in a short video really and this would take some thunder from Satio (we may see this in a newer video though).
Anyone notice her making a phone call using the device itself? I cannot recall this.
Precisely. This hot blonde is not a technically inclined. She loves the look of the phone, it plays music and takes great photos, and it looks COOL like the iPhone in its transition & UI appearance and interactions. THIS is what is going to sell the X10 to the masses - when they begin using it because they're more familiar with Android THEN you'll see this go insane and other products by
using Android ~ and their competition will flourish.
The challenge then by summer is the trifecta!
1. Accessories and harmony of using X10
2. Store: a seemless storefront to access content to fill the X10 up with and use it while mobile!
- nobody wants to stay at the PC to transfer music for lengths of time.
- its ALWAYS been about content. SE didn't sell so many K790/K800s because it was the best looking phone or had the best hardware on the market did it? Hell now it was because of the camera appeal AND the CONTENT: being able to run just about ALL your K750i apps, W810i apps and benefit from small software enhancements!!
- PlayNow Arena NEEDS to extend beyond the 7-9 countries it supports if SE is serious about going Gung-Ho against the competition. The coders in J2ME are there. So is the Android community and WM & Symbian community. They HAVE a unique user experience. Its time to get their licensing in order and go global!
3. Piece of mind & security.
- Remote wipe by the end user NOT a corporation, simple 1 step backup (iPhone on iTunes/MobileMe, and Moto Blurr), content purchased ON the device while mobile is represented on the cloud and saved whenever docked & also backed up for future restores ... just in case!
Case in point: iPhone. I ignored version 1 - no hardware OR content to truely enjoy it other than music. Plus it was on AT&T only. Version 2 I ignored it because I was on SE and S60 enjoying applicaitons, build quality and incredible calendar & PIM when I needed it ... at work & home. Content was there but I didnt need to consume due to my E71 hardware restrictions. Version 3 ... 3GS & iPod Touch opened my eyes.
- Content and software both on Mac & PC was just simplistic and done right.
- Hardware was capable and the software began to take advantage of it. Store had distributed great content to enjoy on such great hardware.
- Remote wipe and security done easily and in piece of mind for the end user. Even at a cost users WILL go for this. Backup and restore on the cloud & desktop will be amazing if done right. This allows for users to concentrate on their CONTENT and ENJOY their device.
SE has an incredible opportunity here for ALL their platforms chosen in their UX. They can shake up the market if their willing to push for it.
PS Its SE's fault for not sending core apps and game to the GPU ~ unless the limitation lies in Android which I think does. Notice no mention for OpenGL at all by ANY Android device yet??!
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Posted: 2009-11-04 06:31:28
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i pray it has a compass so that when i get android 2.0 on there SDK style i can use google navi
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Posted: 2009-11-04 06:54:30
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On 2009-11-03 22:25:24, mazi wrote:
What is the size of Video recording? D1? or VGA?
anybody?
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Posted: 2009-11-04 07:12:03
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PS Its SE's fault for not sending core apps and game to the GPU ~ unless the limitation lies in Android which I think does. Notice no mention for OpenGL at all by ANY Android device yet??!
@Prom
All Android devices support OpenGL, the APIs are available in the SDK and the framework is implemented in the Native Libraries. Quite a few applications, especially games use these API's and so does the UI. Without hardware acceleration it would'nt be possible to get a fluid UI like that seen on the X10.
Regards,
Akshay
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Posted: 2009-11-04 07:20:32
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Does android support multitasking?
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Posted: 2009-11-04 08:30:26
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Why does SE wait for 5 months or more before they release their phones after its announcement.I just don't understand the rationale behind this.
Why don't they release few weeks after announcement.They allow other companies to beat them to their game.Am sure HTC is going to release a more powerful phone before march and steal their market share,then SE will start to moan about not making any profit....You now know why.
I wish the x10 was out by dec,but if something better comes out,am afraid i'll to jump ship
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:14:03
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i dont see how HTC or any other company could announce a more 'powerful' phone... I mean, X10 has a snapdragon processor... most powerful mobile chip currently... so, i dont actually think you can get more 'poweful' for the time being!
Well there is Tegra, but... much of a muchness!
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:27:39
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On 2009-11-04 00:54:07, moogoo wrote:
Yes... why? because X10 is gorgeous. As mizzle said and rightfully pointed out, the android native apps do not lag. in fact they are very fast. The only lag is in SE custom software, which currently is being processed by the CPU and NOT the snapdragon chipset GPU.
Im sorry i dont mean to take the p**s but your post entertained me even more. The K700i and K750i were released a whole year apart (2004/2005). Unless you bought a K700i around May 2005 i dont see why you'd have suffered.
Everyone is going on about how fast this phone is and its interface, yet nobody has really used the X10 as of yet to an extent where this could be illustrated unless you count a few youtube videos which show only pre release software running basic processes. Please dont think this phone will be the burning messiah of the phone market because it will not. Ive seen this happen so many times on Esato and other phone sites. The latest disappointment was the Satio for many people, but the real joke was the P990 as we all remember. I hate seeing people be so disappointed all the time.
My main issue is by the time this phone hits the market a good majority of users will have become bored of waiting. SE fall flat on their faces every time they do this and need to learn from the likes of Nokia who tend to announce phones weeks not months prior to release with the odd exception every now and then. The gap between announcement and to retail market is far too high. SE are a struggling company as it is but, by announcing the X10 and releasing it months later only gives competitors time to up their own specs.
As Jmcomms would have you believe Symbian is on its way out. Imagine if by the time the X10 hits the market the phones Nokia, Samsung and Motorola are working on behind closed doors at the moment suddenly get better specs because of what SE announced. Nokia might go for a 2.0 phone, running all the latest updates, a 12mp camera, HD video recording etc.
I really do wish SE would learn but they never do. I still love them though.
EDIT: @ >500 - of course something faster can come along. Mobile Phones are just like computers these days. What is top spec now can quite easily be knocked down a notch within a couple of weeks. By the time the X10 is released, it could be considered a dinosaur !
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2009-11-04 08:33 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:30:11
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I believe this time
will release the phone earlier than we expected.
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:36:50
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On 2009-11-04 09:27:39, >500 wrote:
i dont see how HTC or any other company could announce a more 'powerful' phone... I mean, X10 has a snapdragon processor... most powerful mobile chip currently... so, i dont actually think you can get more 'poweful' for the time being!
Well there is Tegra, but... much of a muchness!
When i mean more powerful i don't mean higher than snapdragon, but having snapdragon and more other powerful features.
Remember HTC is coming out with a snapdragon phone very soon.And you know they are the king of android so far, their HTC Hero was a hit, you never know what they'll be up to soon. But one thing i know is that it'll be hot.
So am scared for SE,they have to raise their game and STOP DELAYING THE RELEASE OF THEIR PHONE, else they'll lose badly
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:40:33
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