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On 2008-06-16 23:09:16, Dogmann wrote:
The X1 is missing the all important H.264 for watching Video and whilst it may still offer MP4 3gp or H.263 the quality just isn't as good as H.264 I'm afraid not even close. Which is why it will be reasonable at best and not as good as some of the other devices.
@Dogmann
I have seen no specifications saying the X1 can't play H.264 @ 30 fps video. What makes you think it can't? The restriction listed in the whitepaper in
encode only, not decode (playback).
I don't see what difference it makes anyway since there is no TV out and it only has a 3" screen.
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Posted: 2008-06-16 23:32:09
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@WhyBe
If you can't see what difference it makes it means you really don't understand anything we have been discussing about Video quality at all then doesn't it?
They only ever quote recording but it is decoding as well and as i have tried to point out to you both 3gp and H.263 although Mp4 are far inferior qualities. Which is why having H.264 is always highlighted as being the gold standard in mobile devices, as the results it gives are just so much better especially important on smaller screens.
A good example of this is mtube that is H.263 encode and YouTube that is H.264 the difference in quality is very noticeable.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-16 23:16 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-17 00:13:30
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On 2008-06-17 00:13:30, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
If you can't see what difference it makes it means you really don't understand anything we have been discussing about Video quality at all then doesn't it?
What, are you going to sit around the X1 with a bucket of popcorn and have movie night with your family? I'm saying whether its codec A or codec B, it's still a tiny 3" screen with no TV out. Why make a huge deal about whether it's h.264 or h.263 or mp4? It will be decent
pocket video regardless.
They only ever quote recording but it is decoding as well
You're making an assumption that is likely very wrong. Video encoding is far, far more CPU intensive than decoding. So it is likely that X1 DOES support H.264 @ 30fps playback (decode)--just not recording (encode).
I am not debating the quality of the various formats.
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Posted: 2008-06-17 00:48:11
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A bit of a topic change, but still X1 relevant.
I heard that the Xperia supports the 1700MHz spectrum, which is T-Mobile's 3G frequency. A few months after that, I heard that SE removed the 1700MHz support. 2 questions about it.
1) Did they really remove it?
2) If so, is there any chance T-Mobile USA will still get it. They (As well as I) need a phone that doesn't suck ass. >_>
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Posted: 2008-06-17 00:55:26
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On 2008-06-17 00:55:26, Guticb wrote:
A bit of a topic change, but still X1 relevant.
I heard that the Xperia supports the 1700MHz spectrum, which is T-Mobile's 3G frequency. A few months after that, I heard that SE removed the 1700MHz support. 2 questions about it.
1) Did they really remove it?
2) If so, is there any chance T-Mobile USA will still get it. They (As well as I) need a phone that doesn't suck ass. >_>
Look here and download the whitepaper too.
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Posted: 2008-06-17 01:16:53
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Thanks for the link.
Sucks that they really did scrap 1700MHz.... I REALLY wanted a T-mobile version with it. =/
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Posted: 2008-06-17 03:09:53
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On 2008-06-17 00:13:30, Dogmann wrote:
They only ever quote recording but it is decoding as well....
no man.... not correct.
even my P990 - P1 - K850 - W910 - ..... can all play (((H.264 format)))
QVGA@30fps...
decoding a video is much less CPU hungry than Encoding a video...
So you and anyone else can be sure of the X1 capability to playback H.264 VGA(and WVGA)@30fps video.
but yes... unfortunatly X1 supports 15fps H.264 encoding.
regarding the quality: H.264 is far better than H.263 codecs. it's obvious in every resolution (unless the H.263 one has more bitrate than the H.264 one).
in VGA the loss of quality in H.263 encoding should be neglectable because of the resolution.
((who knows... maybe they add the H264
VGA@30fps encoding capability upon the release))
Tnx.
[ This Message was edited by: chombos1 on 2008-06-17 06:15 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-17 07:09:43
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Thanks chombos1
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Posted: 2008-06-17 07:25:08
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On 2008-06-16 23:22:09, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-06-16 23:08:07, p85w wrote:
"Think Sony UX computer, for those of you that have one or have used one. The sliding mechanism comes right ontop of the keys, and thus, the keys don’t travel a lot when pressed. They give little to no feedback despite "having a cool triangular design.""
How big do you think the X1 is? And, have you actually had one in your hand?
Ehh, they tested the phone soo yes I think they have had it in their hands, do´h... Why are you rosponding as if i wrote that??? I was just commenting it.
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Posted: 2008-06-17 10:47:46
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@Chombos
They can't just add it at release it's down to hardware not tweaking the software so that is just never going to happen even in yours and WhyBe's wildest dreams.
Also if you don't realise the huge difference between QVGA and VGA there really is very little point discussing this any further you carry on believing what ever makes you happy.
I am not the one that is trying to claim the X1 has great multimedia as quite obviously it doesn't and won't.
@WhyBe
Suddenly you've gone form saying how wonderful the 3.5" screen is to well it's not important which is just typical of an SE fan. Anything they don't have or support is always nothing important or special until SE has it an then suddenly it's the best thing ever. Freaking funny or what!!
Yet again stop trying to prove an as yet unreleased device is the best and wait till it's released and we can all judge then on what is delivered.
But so far i still can't see one thing that the X1 is going to be better at than my long released and in the market and being used E90. The only advantage it has is for those that want it is a touchscreen and not all of us do as many of us prefer a better, easier to read in all conditions screen instead.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-17 11:27 ]
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