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On 2008-08-26 19:45:06, Brightspark wrote:
...you've gotta be joking. there is nothing on the w910 that beats anything on the u600 apart from 3G(nobody cares about 3G anyway because nobody uses it) and battery life...
That' not true but I'm not gonna argue your priorites vs mine as that would be pointless.
I would like to take issue with your claim that nobody cares about 3G or uses it. My HSDPA equipped V640i doubles as a modem for my Laptop and does a fine job of it too. Add in that many emerging markets in the third world don't have massive landline infrastructure so 3G/4G will bring internet to these places and you'll see that not everyone shares your opinion about 3G.
I ruled out W910 early on as I felt that for the price, a 2.0Mp camera was not enough: it should have had 3.2Mp IMO. SE have finally come to realise that people won't pay extra for features like Shake Control and Track ID.
The K850 and N95 have never been on par. The excellent K800/K810 range should have taken the next step to become a full multimedia solution, but didn't. The N95 did and has reaped the rewards.
The K850 has better spec that K810 but not anything that I would pay NZ$1000 to upgrade to, not even from a V630/V640. On the other hand the N95 (originally NZ$1599 now $799 - same as K850 now) has DVD quality video, a TV out cable, a cool 2 way slide, large screen and wifi. I'd pay extra for any of those; I think this is where SE's problem lies and they are now doing something about it.
My next phone will be limited by my budget now that I've gone back to studying fulltime. I would want to spend min NZ$500 (W890, T700, C702)
but if I can afford $800 then my options are W980, N95 and iPhone but without wifi to connect to the University network the beautiful W980 is looking unlikely
If the iPhone cant be a modem then it's a gonner too which just leaves a 1yr old Nokia with a big reputation. K850 and P1i don't make my shortlist.
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Posted: 2008-08-27 04:12:01
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"not sure if you have actually used one or just repeat what you read every other anti-SE poster saying, but I have no problems with call reception, quality or reliability. Phone hasn't locked up or restarted even once. "
you're obviously unaware of the general common opinion of it.
"The W910 audio quality is not poor by any means."
it is, especially when it has shocking distortion.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_w910-review-186p5.php
and to reiterate, the w910 is meant to be a 'music phone'.
a mate of mine used to have one...but then it broke.
"My phone IS reliable, is only buggy in the video section of the mediaplayer "
strange contradiction. you must have a very offbeat definition of reliable. desensitisation to bugs and freezes and glitches is necessary to appreciate an SE.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2008-08-27 04:02 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-27 04:46:07
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no brightspark, I am not desensitised. For every W910 user you quote as claiming the phone has common restarts and lock ups, I can find you a user saying the same thing about their Nokia.
You make the mistake of reading some people's bad experience as being the ONLY experience a user has of the W910. People with problems with their phone WILL post, frequently and aggresively, those with no problems are rarely heard from - they are too busy enjoying their phone. To presume that the frequency of people complaining about a phone on a user forum even remotely approaches a balanced user survey is a bit naive tbh.
Most phone models in my experience, from any manufacturer, have a reasonably common occurance of lemons. This is an endictment on modern manufacturing and "rush to market" philosophies that are by no means exclusive to SE.
In my case, I f$%k you not, my phone does not restart unless I tell it to. Believe me or not but I am not an imbecile, I know the difference between bugs and normal use. I also have extensive experience with many different kinds of handsets not just SE.
If you wish to go on believing that every single W910 restarts frequently then fine believe what you like. As I said, the ONLY bugs my W910 has, are related to searching for videos in the media player menu (no restarts, no lockups, it just isn't updating the list of videos properly).
Compared to my brother in law's N95, which DOES lock up frequently, I'd find the W910 a breath of fresh air. But as my bro says, he just restarts when it locks up and gets on with his life. He doesn't turn into an ANTI-Nokia drone.
(btw, when I think about all the nokia phone's I've had and my friends who have Nokia's, I can 't honestly recall one who has never had locking up problems with their phone. But when I think of my SE experience and those of my friends with SE, Samsung or motorola phones, it's quite rare in comparison)
So you have to take user reported problems with a grain of salt unless you are looking at a systematic research study of a large sample of users.
regarding the information you provide, I agree with one thing - the THD at full volume is poor. In my own experience even one level off full volume and the THD is normal, but nevertheless at full volume it's worth backing of a little to get a nice rich sound. Just look at the chart and you will see that the SE is more or less on par with the other handsets at a couple less than full volume.
I'm not claiming the W910 is any kind of music god, but it's a bit naive of you to expect a "walkman" phone to be better than other phones just because it carries the name "walkman". Since when has "walkman" been synonomous with high end audio gear? Never. Walkman is branding not technology. Afterall, would you expect Panasonic to have a worse sounding portable CD than Sony, just because the Sony version is a "walkman"? Of course not. Anyone sucked in by branding deserves all they get.
The fact is the W910 may not be the best music playing phone when you analyse it closely, but it still produces quality sound.
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Posted: 2008-08-27 06:42:28
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ive had numerous problems with se handsets over the years, alot more than ive had with my nokia's..for example, i had 5 k800s within a year. . Before that, k750i, 3 of, and t630, god. What a nightmare lol. Regardless, the only handsets i didnt have issue with were the t68i, and the p900. . But shit happens lol..
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Posted: 2008-08-27 07:40:00
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@max
Yes, Walkman is branding, but what does this type of branding suggest?
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Posted: 2008-08-27 07:50:03
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The W910 is a disaster IMO.
For years I used to tell my girlfriend (now wife) that she should give up her Nokias and Samsungs and get an SE phone. She finally did last year, ironically just as I gave up my last SE phone (the M600) and picked up the Tytn II. Her W910 was buggy from the start. 3-4 months in, the inbox started giving an error message and her SMS became completely inaccessible. The only solution was to update the firmware through SEUS, but the backup software refused to back up her SMS, and they ended up being lost forever. I wouldn't expect a fundamental failure like that from any phone on the market, let alone what should have been a simple and reliable feature phone from a reputable manufacturer. Completely unacceptable.
Since then, most of the silver paint has scratched off the central button/navigator, one of the little rubber bungs has fallen out the back, and on the whole it looks bloody awful - 9 months old and it's the shabbiest phone either of us has had, and it's actually been looked after a lot better than most.
Meanwhile, "shake control" is the most ridiculous feature I've ever seen on any gadget, ever. Hold in a (fiddly, uncomfortable, hard to find) button and shake left and right? Why not just press left and right! Jesus, I've never seen anything so stupid!
Whichever way you look at it, the W910 is an embarrassment, and if it's at all indicative of the rest of their mainstream range at the moment, SE thoroughly deserve to be doomed.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-08-27 08:40 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-27 09:28:06
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@Max
What kind of voice recognition software is that that you can tell your phone to restart and it does it? what other commands can it carry out to?
Sorry only jesting but when i read it it did sound kind of strange and some times the Forum is devoid of some well needed humor IMO.
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Posted: 2008-08-27 10:12:44
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On 2008-08-27 00:38:52, Brightspark wrote:
the UI is easy to use for most people.....unless the user is educationally challenged, that is. most UIs are pretty much the same these days, so there is no big distinction between them. saying that the samsung UI is hard to use naturally follows that the SE one is too.
educationally challenged am I? and its a fact that SE UI is the easiest to use, there is a massive difference between the UI's
On 2008-08-27 00:38:52, Brightspark wrote:
the w900 is crap as a phone. very few SEs do have anything in the way of decent reception, call quality, and reliability. and unsurprisingly, none of those qualities are found on the w910.
My W900 was a wonderful phone, and beat the experience i had with the U600 hands down, (had the U600 less than a week, W900 18 months). The W900 has great batterylife, reception, call quality, UI, and has never let me down once. Whereas the U600 ran out of charge halfway through the second day. And are you trying to say the U600 is better as being a phone?
On 2008-08-27 00:38:52, Brightspark wrote:
the w910 is meant to be a MUSIC PHONE, yet the audio quality is absolutely dire compared with the u600, and that's not even aimed at being a music phone
The loudspeaker may not be as good but it is meant to be used with headphones, in which the sound quality is excelent. The U600 is a fashion phone and appeals to people who want a good looking phone, normally girls. Because of this, it comes with disadvantages I have already listed.
On 2008-08-27 00:38:52, Brightspark wrote:
apart from battery life and 3G, there are no other advantages of the w910. add the glitches and unreliability and the significantly greater expense(SEs are ALWAYS more expensive than they're worth), i know which most people would have.
I actually find samsung phones cheaper than usual. Im not saying its because they are rubbish...but genrally SE makes better phones. And if SE is such a crap company that make phones not half as good as the U600, then why are you on a forum dedicated to SE? Tell me that
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Posted: 2008-08-27 10:35:38
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On 2008-08-26 19:45:06, Brightspark wrote:
On 2008-08-26 16:07:08, tbroe wrote:
The W910 is a hell of a lot better than the U600..
you've gotta be joking. there is nothing on the w910 that beats anything on the u600 apart from 3G(nobody cares about 3G anyway because nobody uses it) and battery life. in addition to that, the u600 is considerably more reliable, more stylish looking (IMO), and doesn't suffer from endless freezes and glitches like that w910 has done.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2008-08-26 18:47 ]
something i dislike on samsung slider...both F330 and U600 give me the same problem.... when you make a dial it lock the keys...and the touch senstive key is tough. While I am maybe one of the unlucky samsung buyer since you love to praise samsung is so good.
U600 I got was wobbling badly when i bought it from the shop and tht is someting i cannot ask for a change as it is just one irritating wobbling and later same on F330 when i got it.
not tht i claim W910 is good but I like to share with all that Samsung is not making perfect product too.
remember all this big 5 phone maker shipped millions of phone.
someone will get unlucky.
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Posted: 2008-08-27 10:47:56
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No phone is perfect
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Posted: 2008-08-27 10:51:50
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