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And i'm looking at the blurry areas on some pictures...
N82's 2010 edition?
Congratulations Nokia.
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Posted: 2010-10-02 10:06:18
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Can we all calm down please !
Look, this guy said it brilliantly:
On 2010-10-01 23:25:27, epdm wrote:
Symbian^3 is totally different. It IS better structured! It IS made consistent across the UI. That's the whole point of Symbian^3 otherwise Nokia could have stuck with S60v5 (and progressed to S60v6).
It's just that Symbian^3 LOOKS the same as S60v5. And aparantly many ppl are only interested in how flashy a Ui is. Sure, S3 isn't as flashy as iOS4 or Android but it makes up for a consistent featureset across devices.
Now i havent used Symbian 3 at all yet but i know this already. It is a completely new version of Symbian that according to people who have used it runs much smoother and better structured than previous versions. And it should. I cannot wait to try it out.
I can understand peoples opinions such as
ares's, people have been annoyed or burnt by Symbian in the past and then when Apple shows off their dramatically better user interface it only compounds Symbians problems. Symbians touch version of their OS present in the Satio, N97, i8910 etc is rather poor in comparison. Today, my Satio lacks functions that were present on my old N95 8gb, i cannot ignore that. So i agree, current Symbian 1 is rather not user friendly and annoying to use.
Symbian 3 will be a return to form imo. The fact SE and now Samsung do not wish to use Symbian anymore is irrelevant also. SE seem to prefer Android, Samsung want to develop their own Bada platform. It does not mean Symbian is dying or has some disease that cannot be cured.
I love the iPhones, since 2007, but they have always been some way behind Symbian not in the user interface, but in the depth of what is capable with the OS. Like i said at the start of this thread to jake20, i advised him like me to buy a N8 this year, then next year see if Apple or Android have something more worthwhile our money - a proper cameraphone with the emphasis on the camera part. At the moment, not a single Android or iPhone can compete in that area imo.
I do think the iPhone takes better pictures than any Android phone with the possible exception of the X10, but like jake20 also said, wheres the flash ? wheres all the other camera centric options and advantages that the N8 / Satio / C905 / K800i / K850i has ? its not meant to be primarily a high spec cameraphone.
Im not interested in arguing with people on this forum. I merely get annoyed when people brand Symbian as old and obsolete when clearly its far from the truth. The same people try to tell me the N8 will be crap and a waste of my money. I dont like people trying to force their negative opinions onto me - thats all.
I give credit where credit is due. Symbian deserve a ton of credit for their OS, can you imagine a world without Symbian ? we'd still be using basic dumb phones that use manufacturers own interfaces, stuck with simple java apps to enrich our phones. Or worse still, a market dominated by Palm OS or Windows Mobile !
Android and Apple also deserve a lot of credit for moving the market forwards, but i dont think they have brought anything exclusively new to the market either. They've simply made mobile phone operating systems more modern, prettier and up to date by supporting all the latest hardware and software improvements over recent years.
Ill say it once more and its the last time i will say it. Ill buy the N8 for what it gives me now over other phones using these prettier operating systems. Then in a years time when my contract is up for renewal ill consider Android and Apple again. Maybe after another years maturity they will be able to replace Symbian because as of autumn 2010 they cannot.
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Posted: 2010-10-02 12:30:32
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On 2010-10-02 10:06:18, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
And i'm looking at the blurry areas on some pictures...
N82's 2010 edition?
Congratulations Nokia.
What are you refering to? Blurry areas? Please, be more specific.
There will always be "blurry areas" in pictures. Unless you´re @ the Hyperfocal distante, the DOF will be limited.
For the same fixed aperture, a bigger sensor has a shallower DOF than a smaller one.
Sometimes this shallow DOF effect is desirable.
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Posted: 2010-10-02 16:03:35
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Guys, I guess we should remember the primary intention of this thread.
We´re here to discuss how the N8 compares to the Satio.
I´ll definetly buy it over the Satio, but I won´t say it´s the perfect substitute, and here are 2 key points I will definetely be missing from my old Satio:
CAMERA COVER - Very helpful to avoid grease over the lens;
THE PHOTO GALLERY (from the first home screen to the right) - Perfect kinectic scrolling thorugh pictures (could be implemented by Nokia, though). To be fair, I guess that those 5 home screens from SE´s S60v5 look way better than these N8 ones;
Points that i do like in the N8:
GREAT SOFTWARE SUPPORT (5800 is still getting firmware updates);
GREAT FREE GPS SOFTWARE, WITH FREE WORLDWIDE VOICE GUIDED NAVIGATION AND MAPS UPDATES;
GREAT UNLIMITED MUSIC DOWNLOAD SUBSCRIPTION;
FM transmitter;
3,5 mm jack;
GREAT ON BOARD DICTIONARY.
Regarding the camera, I´ll miss the video light, but I guess that the N8 focus assist beam shall perform better than the white LED from SE. It was already better in the N82. Its focus assist beam is great because it was not only less diffusive than SE´s LED, but its generated image also has a segmented pattern, which ultimately helps to have a better focus in complete darkness, even at greater distances.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-02 16:17 ]
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Posted: 2010-10-02 16:59:30
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N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
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Posted: 2010-10-02 18:01:40
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@ JAKE
and who are you calling kid son.. i am 38 years old.. and I don't care how long you are here on Esato.. that means nothing to me.
i could care less who makes the phone, Nokia, Apple, Samsung, etc.. i have no allegiance to any company.. and why should i? I am not getting anything from any of them. I just want the best overall phone with a preference for solid GPS and camera quality.. so of course I am going to lean towards the N8.
If my preference was a phone with a slick user interface and OK camera (LED Flash) and tons of apps.. I would go for Iphone or Android.
This is exactly how I feel about this subject.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-02 17:06 ]
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Posted: 2010-10-02 18:05:01
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On 2010-10-02 18:01:40, ok1907 wrote:
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Now we´re talking!
These are proper shots.
I personally think that the N8 outputs finer detailed pictures.
Canon may have a slight advantage in contrast, but we must remember that it has been used mostly at f8.0, whereas the N8 has a fixed aperture of f2.8. In general, for the same lens, the wider the aperture, the lower the contrast.
Canon shots also have slightly warmer colour tone and appear to have considerably more post processing sharpness.
Noise levels are pretty much similar.
Here we´got some crops... I feel that the N8 fares even better than the Canon...
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/1[....]ness-the-n8s-precision-pixels/[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-02 20:30 ]
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Posted: 2010-10-02 18:15:28
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Wow! Very nice! Thanks!
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Posted: 2010-10-02 19:23:17
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On 2010-10-02 18:01:40, ok1907 wrote:
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Was this even final firmware on the N8? it doesn't seem to be since this comparison was done in September when final firmware was not out yet.
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Posted: 2010-10-02 19:43:03
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On 2010-10-02 19:43:03, jake20 wrote:
On 2010-10-02 18:01:40, ok1907 wrote:
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Was this even final firmware on the N8? it doesn't seem to be since this comparison was done in September when final firmware was not out yet.
It is 28th of september, 4 days ago. We need to know when the guy who made this comparison got the phone. I think it should be very close to final firmware. About comparison, I prefer the shots from n8. When you look at the 100% crops, the detail is higher. I guess we don't need to worry about daylight shots as it clearly beats canon. I have no knowledge about ixus 130 but canon is a powerful player in compact camera world. So, ixus 130 must be a good one. I wish they compared them at night.
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Posted: 2010-10-02 21:02:02
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