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I doubt the independent photo comparison was done at 100% resolution with everyday people staring at pixels. Scaled down to normal "sharing" size, the pictures look pretty good. they have good color and exposure, decent white balance, and metering. it's just that all of us here are pulling up 100% images and staring at individual pixels to compare. obviously, the everyday user doesn't do that.

I absolutely CANNOT wait to get my hands on my Z1. I love all the samples but I have a problem where I simply don't trust anything until I've seen it/experienced it first hand. I'll be taking extensive photos and attempting to figure out this right side blur thing and determine once and for all if it is SW or HW.

Keep a look out for my flickr link later this week..
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Posted: 2013-09-25 04:52:27
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guys I believe that the area round a camera lens should always be none reflective matt black - have Sony designers made an error putting that shiny chrome ring round the lens, is it possible that under certain conditions bright light from the anywhere in front of the lens is causing a flare effect across the glass reflected off the ring - might be worth noting the position of the sun etc when taking these shots, it could explain why only certain ones are affected.
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Posted: 2013-09-25 05:25:04
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^nah.. my XS has silver around the lens area and it doesn't have these problems.
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Posted: 2013-09-25 05:48:55
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As far as I could remember, the n8 also had this issue having random blur spots due to the light reflecting on the chrome ring directly to the lens.

Anyway, I believe any other flaws are through software. XperiaJunkie's shots proved the Z1 has the potential. Also as pointed out earlier, we are looking at 20mp shots, the 8mp shots for the most part are fine. the lowlight shots on high ISO proves the sensor's capabilities in lowlight.

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Posted: 2013-09-25 05:59:16
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well people are expecting great quality from a top camera manufacturer. while many may be satisfied with photos without looking into the pixel details, there are those who would appreciate details up close. after all, sony is bragging about their new camera. wouldn't it be great if you can capture a lot of details with your smartphone camera? if other companies can do it, why can't the great camera maker sony do the same? saying that others are just pixel peeping is just rationalizing sony's halfhearted efforts. if people just want "normal sharing" photo sizes, why the hell does sony have to put 20 MP in a smartphone camera?

but please show us that others are just incapable of making the most of the z1's camera. i really want to see the best of what sony's tech can offer. or at least i want to see a convincing evidence that sony really failed again this time. i trust your objectiveness in assessing the z1, moogoo.

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Posted: 2013-09-25 07:22:06
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miromiromi: You have heard that the Z1 launched without its final camera software, right? It's telling that even without final camera software the camera is already quite good. It looks like we won't know how good it can be until next month. In case you'd like some sort of evidence, here's a post by zomg earlier this month

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80099241&postcount=82

As for why launch with incomplete software? Sony has had a market perception of being late to the game when it comes to launching smartphones. They're trying to turn that around and considering the Z Ultra was the first phone from a major brand with S800, it looks like they're succeeding. Still, technology and progress take time no matter how much you want to rush it. The phone had to be out now to be competitive with all the other companies, and the software it's launching with is "good enough" for 95%+ of people out there who don't pixel peep. Now the rest of us wait until next month for the proper camera software and see just how good this camera is.


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Posted: 2013-09-25 07:31:59
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@miromiro - i hope i can maximize the camera's potential at its current software version! I will definitely take a ton of pics to get a feel for what it can do and how I can get the best results. This is true for any new camera, I think. Most likely, the majority of the photo samples will be posted next week, as I'm still pretty swamped with work this week

@vivftp - indeed there's been lots of talk about a real "final" software being released in a month from announcement (next week), but we can only judge on what currently exists. As it stands, Sony has already released TWO updates for the Z1 (though they seem to only be in Asia..) which undoubtedly were to fix minor bugs (headphone issue) with no real upgrades. I certainly HOPE to have a more "final" camera software in an update in the coming weeks, but I am not holding my breath. I ordered my Z1 based on what I've seen, not on the hopes of what might come. If it improves in the future, then that's all the better! But until then, it's just a rumor. No disrespect to any insiders on esato - but as we all know, nothing is official until it's.. well.. official Of course, based on Sony's track record, they do tend to improve the camera with software updates. That's always a good sign.

btw, my Z1 arrived in the country 20 minutes ago! Another 8 hours and it will be at my door as long as there are no customs/FCC issues that delay it..

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Posted: 2013-09-25 07:50:33
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Where did you order from Moogoo? If there was a FCC issue they should have contacted you already. Fedex told me if there ar papers missing when the package leaves the origin country they will contact the receiver at the same moment so I am pretty sure you will be fine!


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Posted: 2013-09-25 07:59:58
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^I ordered from Handtec. Ordered Friday night, Verified ID Monday, Shipped Tuesday, Arrives Today by 1030am. I'm sort of worried FEDEX will arrive really early (like 7am) and I won't hear the door! I have a hard enough time hearing the door when I'm on the second level to begin with.. Hope I don't miss it.

Well, I haven't received any calls.. but it's also the middle of the night. Maybe they are waiting til 8am or something to call. Who knows. Hopefully, it arrives with no delay.


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Posted: 2013-09-25 08:04:30
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When I called FedEx earlier they said I could make a note in my online tracking panel to leave the package at the frontodoor and/or leave my signature attached to the door. Or you just get up early
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Posted: 2013-09-25 08:10:18
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