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Global Foundries is a electronic investment company from Middle East, not sure if they come from UAE.
AMD used to be their major client before inside-management shake up, deals had been collapsed and Samsung kick in.
Sony even sells stake back Sharp (SDP) and Samsung in both LCD venture.
As we all know, they're now part as Japan Display and also outsourcing investment to Taiwan display manufacture AUOptronics.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2012-06-10 16:01 ]
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Posted: 2012-06-10 16:56:53
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@djin
like HxH said, amd has sold their stake in global foundries and are now without fabs
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Posted: 2012-06-10 17:36:29
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@HxH
GlobalFoundries was a spin-off AMD's fabs, they ( AMD ) spin-off their fabs to a seperate company ( Joint venture ) between AMD and Mubadala ( investment company from UAE ), at first the AMD stack was 51%, but AMD slowly sold it's stack to Mubadala untill they sold everything rendering AMD to a fabless company and GlobalFoundries now is fully controlled by Mubadala... in the meanwhile AMD used GlobalFoundries first as their only silicon manufacturer for CPU's along with another manufacturer (UMC, was also in partnership with AMD before the spin-off and IBM a technology partner), but when they created their new low power CPU's they used TSMC to manufacturer them...
AMD also makes GPU's since they bought ATI, all GPU's are made in TSMC...
The different is AMD was only manufacturing SOI type of simiconductors, UMC was also manufacturing this type along with IBM... GPU's used Bulk-Silicon manufacturing which AMD doesn't have ( or not enough volume ), so they kept it in TSMC specially that TSMC is very well experienced in this type.. almost the second more experienced manufacturer after Intel...
All SoC are made with Bulk Silicon method, there's several sub-types optimized for specific purpose like High-performance, low-power, Ultra-low power, Ultra High Performance... normally SoC uses ULP to have the lowest possible power consumption... higher sub-types while they offer higher performance ( higher clock speeds ) but they consume more power also...
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Posted: 2012-06-10 18:34:19
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Even thought we are slightly off topic, it was nice piece of info that i got from everyone
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I hope sony does pull it together and wow us all. They did say they would focus more on hardware innovations, hopefully it doesnt mean just prettier hardware.
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Posted: 2012-06-10 19:03:10
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On 2012-06-10 16:42:51, djin wrote:
@Xajel,
True, but will it be any good if sony invests so much money now to co develop their own soc which will be regarded as high end for a year, and barely selling it? Even if they do put it in their next high end, if it sells like how their present high end devices do, then it will just be a big loss for them. I think for now they should make use of the best available resources, and up their sales. Once they become profitable and have a bigger fan base, they will be able to develop their own soc and use it efficiently as then they will have more dev support, more sales and better advantage at marketing.
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I too want sony to make their own soc, which would give much more advantage to them in the long run, but for now it just seems wishful thinking. They even sold their 49% shares of lcd plant to samsung and now outsource it because its cheaper for them..
It's good, but only if they were very sure for their success and sell enough phones that have this chip...
Having your own design helps very much having the perfect requirement and also lowering the price of the chip it self but this requires another investment in design and development of the chip.. and the cost of the D&D has to be covered by the saving they will get by using their design instead of another ready one...
The easiest way to have a custom design is to ask another maker of the SoC to build a customized version of a ready made SoC he has before... for example requesting from Qualcomm to have the exact same MSM8960 Pro but with another A9 core that can be used for idle time in order to save power... this is can be done and depends on the agreement Sony could have exclusivity for 1 year for example then Qualcomm can sell it to other customers... ( such conditions can lower the cost more than making the chip Sony-only product, as both of them will share the cost of the design and development )...
The main problem is not with Sony alone, but in Google as well on how they work with partners.. one of the main problems is that no one knows or have the source code before Google releases it to the public... so Sony and Samsung and HTC all will get the code in the same time as me an you !! except the company that will make the next Nexus...
Personally I prefer the idea of having all the contributes to the code to have the access, and when any part is finalized they will have it directly as an advantage of them for being a main partner/contributor or supporter to Android... and they can also work to prioritize the parts of the code to be done first, for example finish the radio/modem parts first in order for them to finalize it and send it for certification ( which takes very long time ), and in the mean while they work on other parts like UI and features and the partners work for their customization... and when that finished Google can release the code to the public so partners will need a little time to finalize the software and receive the first patches of the products so they can release it as soon as possible after the release of the code...
Google is already working hard on this part, but they need more time to fully make everything done as quickly as possible... I hope by the release of Jellybean we will be able to have all JB products after 3 to maximum of 6 months for all companiese...
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Posted: 2012-06-10 19:46:34
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Salute Xajel, Thank you for clarify up to me
I have little bit wondering, why TSMC struggling problem with Qualcomm's order (Snapdragon S4) but they can produce GPU chipset for AMD at the same 28nm manufacturing process, could be possible at different of technology, if you can provide more insight?
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2012-06-11 03:34 ]
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Posted: 2012-06-11 04:18:39
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On 2012-06-10 19:46:34, Xajel wrote:
Google is already working hard on this part, but they need more time to fully make everything done as quickly as possible... I hope by the release of Jellybean we will be able to have all JB products after 3 to maximum of 6 months for all companiese...
There was some rumor recently about Google letting up to 5 partners make the next round of Nexus devices, which would tie-in to what you're suggesting. Do you have any insight into this? Do they all have to use the same SoC?
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Posted: 2012-06-11 06:12:05
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On 2012-06-11 04:18:39, HxH wrote:
Salute Xajel, Thank you for clarify up to me
I have little bit wondering, why TSMC struggling problem with Qualcomm's order (Snapdragon S4) but they can produce GPU chipset for AMD at the same 28nm manufacturing process, could be possible at different of technology, if you can provide more insight?
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2012-06-11 03:34 ]
TSMC is still having yielding issues with 28nm AMD GPUs, most especially in the top tier cards, also the production yields were not mature yet that they decided not to release their dual GPU card until they managed to produce chips with less leakage. Even nVidia is affected by this despite the fact that they were the top priority of TSMC. Honestly TSMC is too pressured by the huge number of orders coming these fabless chip makers. that's where GloFo could really help but they haven't even stepped into 28nm yet, and their 32nm yielding is still bad as evident with low number of AMD's APUs available today.
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2012-06-11 05:50 ]
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Posted: 2012-06-11 06:47:39
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On 2012-06-11 04:18:39, HxH wrote:
Salute Xajel, Thank you for clarify up to me
I have little bit wondering, why TSMC struggling problem with Qualcomm's order (Snapdragon S4) but they can produce GPU chipset for AMD at the same 28nm manufacturing process, could be possible at different of technology, if you can provide more insight?
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Different optimizations in the process it self, S4 requires ULP ( Ultra Low Power ) manufacturing which is different and harder than normal LP ( Low Power ) and Mainstream...
AMD and NVIDIA GPU's are made using HP (High Performance) or HPP (High Performance Plus) manufacturing optimization, which is another challenging method next to ULP... both AMD and NVIDIA still suffering from low yield issues as what @razec already mentioned before.
The main issue with both ULP and HPP is the required low leakage, which is unwanted as it consume power and increase the heat without any usefulness... they have to optimize the design in order to avoid leakage and also mastering the process to decrease it...
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Posted: 2012-06-11 09:05:35
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On 2012-06-11 06:12:05, pmugghc wrote:
On 2012-06-10 19:46:34, Xajel wrote:
Google is already working hard on this part, but they need more time to fully make everything done as quickly as possible... I hope by the release of Jellybean we will be able to have all JB products after 3 to maximum of 6 months for all companiese...
There was some rumor recently about Google letting up to 5 partners make the next round of Nexus devices, which would tie-in to what you're suggesting. Do you have any insight into this? Do they all have to use the same SoC?
I knew about it, but I know nothing more, I'm only speculating that at the end you might not get 5 smartphones, but you might have smartphones and tablets also as we already know, ASUS is working with Google for their Nexus Tablet, but we're not sure of how many tablets and how many smartphones... rumors around said Moto might enter the nexus market along with a Chinese brand ( ZTE or Huawei ), what will be left are Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony... Some speculating Sony will not enter as they insist on having their own touch on the UI+UX while Nexus products are required to have pure Android stock UI thought I don't know why Sony wont agree on such approach as being a Nexus will push the sales to very high !! not to mention there's no reason why Sony can't later release a Xperia Xperience package that any user can install on top of it and it will give the Xperia Nexus a pure Sony Xperia experience...
Sammy on the other hand already did the last two Nexus's I think it will be bad to make the third on the row again and not giving other manufacturers the chance, unless the 5th option was Sony, but they refused, so they went back to Samsung again !!...
What I hope ?
Two tablets, one low cost 7 incher, and one high-end 10.1 incher...
3 ~ 5 smartphones, Sony + HTC + Motorolla + ZTE/Huawei + LG
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Posted: 2012-06-11 09:47:13
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