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@WhyBe

Your loyalty is admirable it must be said. You must however understand that a lot of us who are unhappy with SE are former, and to a certain degree still are, supporters of SE. Hammering SE on their lack of innovation is telling them to do something about the current state of their lacklustre products.

I've been with SE since the Ericsson days (for approximately 10 years now) and I know what Ericsson is capable of. I also know what SE is capable of, I've owned the T610, K700 and F500. Now the only SE I have is the still superb P910i- the best SE I've ever owned- and is still in perfect working condition after three years. SE used to give us the best products that is why some of us are complaining when they fail miserably when compared to the likes of Nokia. Nokia was no match for SE before they released the N95, that was the turning point right there and ever since SE can't seem to be able to react to that moment.

I now use a Motorola V8 as my main line and the P910i as my business line. The V8 is my first non Ericsson/Sony Ericsson phone ever. The E90 was almost my first ever non E/SE phone but I found it big when I tested it. It must be said that it was one hell of a phone when I played with it and it really is a shame that an old phone like that is being compared to the yet to be released X1. I was set on getting the X1 despite not liking the Windows OS on it but the news that it was pushed back made me rethink my decision. Personally, I would love a UIQ version of the same phone with improved specs. Now that I would buy in a second provided it is stable of course

What some of us are saying is that SE can do better than this, it has for 5 and a half years. It does look like they're trying because certain things are changing, the Xperia brand promises great things and the first product from that line isn't necessarily bad but slow in release, the C905 is a nice product though it lacks a few features (nothing's perfect afterall) but overall it shows the direction SE is headed.

The mistake you and some members are making is to think that we want SE to fail, on the contrary we want what SE has always given us- Top specced products that are stable and brilliant to use. For me SE is underperforming hence people have lost faith in the brand even their market share has dwindled and they're number 5 behind LG.

I've waiting for a smartphone that would replace my P910i but there isn't any at this stage. The E90 was the one but the size. So, here's hoping that SE announces a high end UIQ smartphone within the next month or I guess I'm left with Nokia's next smartphone or even Motorola. I'm not the least bit interested in either LG or its cousin Samsung, they are really not and never will be products I'd consider in mobile phones.
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Posted: 2008-06-21 13:30:06
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@EMS06
Well stated. You and I have one thing in common: we own the p910 and believe "fell off" after that. I agree that maybe are not making the greatest decisions in product design, but, it seems like the X1 is a return to the old p910 school of thought.

I don't know if is having managment problems or just hired the wrong leaders, but now the G702 and Paris have been cancelled. Maybe that's good. Perhaps they will be re-introduced properly on another newer hardware platform?

Disliking 's direction is one thing, but constantly slamming an unreleased device based on incorrect rumours is hating. There has been no delay, no panel problems nor proof of either. The video playback even outperforms the e90 and Dogmann doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it...that's hating

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-21 12:56 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-21 13:47:42
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@Whybe

Which bit of i don't like touch screens, i don't like WM and i don't like the X1's keyboard can you just not understand it is just not a device for me. If it is for you great buy it but even if you send me one for free it is just not my type of device please try and understand that simple fact.

As for that clip proving the X1 is better than the E90 oh please be serious that's a joke. As for the other rumors as you call them please explain how other peoples comments that have a unit are not valid but all BengleBoy says is as he only compliments the X1 just how does that work then?

Again i don't hate the X1 i just don't love it like you or make ridiculous statements about how brilliant it is going to be when you or anyone else just can't know all you can do is hope and wish it is.


@VinnyP!

What are you talking about a touch screen may be best for you but NOT FOR ME and others it isn't.

WM is better and has more applications? well that's really great if you like WM but i don't and the it's the quality of the apps as well as the quantity. S60 has all the apps i or most people need and it's the most successful and used OS not WM.

Again why has the X1 got better battery life? this is totally unproven as is based on estimated time and not based on actual use or a finished product. So at this time no one knows i never claimed the E90's was better WhyBe has claimed the X1's is and he or you or anyone else just can know this yet. So please be realistic and don't try and claim things i have said that i haven't or things about the X1 that no one yet knows.

That's it for me in this thread i will wait till the X1's released and see what it actually delivers and how well it works. Until then all this speculation is just pointless.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-21 13:36 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-21 14:32:00
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The iPhone isn't for me. It lacks a keyboard, video recording and it isn't fully featured. I think I'll go hang around some iPhone forums to let them know exactly how I feel.
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Posted: 2008-06-21 14:41:15
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can anyone pls tell me when this will be available?? pleaseeeeeeeee
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Posted: 2008-06-21 23:54:29
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I can name you at least 3 things off the bat on X1 that your sacred almighty E90 just can't touch

1. HSUPA
2. Touchscreen
3. Aesthetics
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Posted: 2008-06-22 00:14:06
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@Mode

Very good i said besides a touch screen as for me that really is not important it's even in the quote you used.

The fact it's feature is important for you just doesn't make it so for me.

Looks are a personal thing and i prefer the look and styling of my E90 by far and the keyboard to. Now if you prefer the X1 fine buy it.

Well done HSUPA is the one and only thing but seeing as i don't upload to a website and only really send E-Mail HSUPA is totally pointless and unnecessary. I wonder just how many will really use it and just how needed is for most users.

Marc

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Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER

[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-21 23:44 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 00:41:19
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@tonyitalian
I'm guessing Sept/Oct. There has been no official announcement except this right here. And this also.

@Dogmann
Don't forget CPU speed, memory, and memory expandability. And also speedy program switching--everything two presses away from anywhere.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-22 05:30 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 05:50:01
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It is just such 'doubtful' attitude that caused SE to fall behind like when they thought HSDPA would not make a strong impact and omitted it from most of their phones till just recently. Trust me, I found the need for fast and reliable uploading as soon as I started using 3G and, it will find its importance and will be a start for SE to be a pioneer in at least this technology. I thought you didn't 'hate' SE and would be happy that they're beginning somewhere. You shouldn't be too harsh and bitter just because it has presented specs that isn't your thing like the touchscreen I mentioned. I mentioned it not to tailor to your needs but mine, just like aesthetics.


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Posted: 2008-06-22 07:17:52
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@mode

Agree with you on a few points. HSUPA is a mus, but remember this is'nt SE's doing its the Qualcomm chipset which supports it and the X1 is basically nothing but a HTC in SE clothing, wheather anybody would like to accept it or not is immaterial it is what it is.

@WhyBe

The CPU speed hardly influences it much, the OMAP2420 clocked at 350Mhz is more efficent than the MSM7200A due to excellent intergration between the processor and the GPU, a lot of the CPU load is taken by the PowerVR GPU. On the MSM7200A the 3D implementation is sub standard and most of the load is taken by the CPU.

To tell you the truth the E90 and the X1 might just have the same amount of RAM at bootup about 80-90MB. But the difference is that the X1 would already have the mediaplayer and other utilities loaded up on the RAM while the E90 wont. Remember all we are doing is speculating at this moment. You really cant tell which will have more free mem till the final product is out. Just because it says 256MB on paper does'nt mean the user gets more mem. A diamond with 19MB RAM has less free RAM at boot than my TyTn II with 128.

The two press thing is'nt just X1 specific, you can make any WM phone behave similarly, so many today plugins to choose from, your phone can look totally different every day if you please .
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Posted: 2008-06-22 07:46:04
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