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@WhyBe

The P910 was manufactured by SE, their low end phones at the time were manufactured by FlexTronics. True that the X1 will be thought of as an SE, even the chaps at HTC service center do not know the X1 is a HTC. But what I meant is give credit where it is due. SE have'nt done crap with regards to the low level implementation of X1 hardware.

Not everyone base mindlessly believe whats written on the net. Most of us base our opinions on what we experience and not make baseless statements while using tech thats over 3 years old. Why dont you take a moment of your time, which you spend arguing here, and read some posts on WM forums regarding the Diamond.

the MSM7201A has problem with the GPU implementation. This I gather from using a Diamond as well as from people who use the Diamond, if you even bothered to visit WM based forums you'd know this. ANd before you go on about the MSM7200A is different from the MSM7201A thats only with the video decoding bit and not with the OpenGL implememtnation or 3D hardware implementation. Qualcomm have removed any references to 3D hardware on the MSM7200 series of chipset as well. Just because you are quite ignorant when it comes to WM handset do not assume that the other members posting here are as ignorant as you are.

About the RAM, I suppose you are partly blind as well as being ignorant, I have mentioned in several posts why they needed 256MB RAM, its because off the apps associated with the panel, I doubt BengalBoys unit had fully functional panel with all of SE's intended apps.

There are several task switchers as well as Today screen plugins that allow you to switch tasks with even a single press. I have mentioned them in my earlier posts and I tire of repeating what I post, if you are interested search for them, or use google as normal people do.

THe hardware offered by Samsung make sup for the stupid childish today screen plugin they have.

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-06-22 15:10 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 16:01:28
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@aksd
Touchy, touchy !!?
You rarely show evidence to support your "expertise"



Would you care to enlighten everyone here on the MSM72xx GPU implementation problem and how it affects the X1?




BengalBoy only has the 128MB unit right now. And it is running smoothly (graphics and all). He's getting the 256MB shortly. Here's what he specualtes the additional 128MB of RAM was for.




Hmm, PointUI and sbpmobile
So you can't come up with any huh? I said "two-press" app switching...anywhere to anywhere.




This sentiment doesn't cut it in an iPhone world... There's no more half - @ssing allowed.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-22 16:28 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 17:13:18
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Guys,
tell me what do you want to know about X1 I -may- try it tomorrow (
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Posted: 2008-06-22 17:15:08
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You really do know how to rile someone up dont you .

I'm more of an expert than you at least , Never called myself an expert, but from what I can see most persons using WM seem to agree with me, thats because I use the tech day to day, not just an arm-chair commentor. I also program on the platform and do have connection with the actual indsutry. You dont see me posting on something I'm not sure of so strongly now do you.

ANyway, regarding the MSM72 series chipset. It seems that when OpenGL tests we conducted on the Diamond it supported only 1.0. Also during gameplay when the touch screen was touched it slowed down the game considerably like on the TyTn II, some people reported that VGA @ 30fps played flawlessly and soem people mentioned dropped frames, I do not have the kbps it was encoded at but they were ususally avi files. Also the low level programmer on xda-dev have mentioned that after analyzing the drivers the implementation of the drivers on the Diamond are similar to that on the LG KS20 which is'nt fully hardware accelerated. There are certain apps used to check hardware acceleration and when used on the diamond still show that the 3D acceleration is mostly software based. Anything more required old chap ?

I have mentioned the apps before, one of them is dyanmo 2 for PPC. It gives you similar panels to the SE panels except its a task switcher, the panels are only of running apps. Very cool.

Next you have another task switch I forget its name, I posted it earlier. Then you have Point UI, in 3 clicks you can access a really cool task manager. For a diamond like plugin you can check out www.throttlelauncher.com and theres another diamond type plugin available, but I forget its name, its superior to throttle launcher I've heard but I have'nt used it. The you've got SPB Mobile Shell you can do anythign there with 2 clicks, task Man, Multimedia, etc. its all about how you set up the app. Then theres ultimate launcher, a cube for the today screen, the entire tday screen is converted into a cube and you can virtual access anything on your PPC just from the today screen. Then there RLTOday, again you can utilise the today screen and make it finger friendly, then theres the LG today plugin like on the KS20, and the Gsmart today plugin, very cool but works only partly. Lots of task switchers are available and sice I only use SPB I'm not too familiar with them.

A while ago when I set up my phone to be completely finger friendly, I wanted to take a video and show you that WM phones tday have decent finger friendly apps and not dependant on half arsed implememtnations from SE, but sadly I went a bit too far and messed up my registry. The next time I get some time to do will surely send you a video. If you've got the time, which I suppose you do head on over to xda and check it out.

None of the today plugins or apps cut it in a iPhone world , the real competition the iPhone will get is from WM7 and Android. Stop thinking that the panels are a miracle, its just palin fancy. Like I mentioned before, you're making a corolla look like a Merc, still a corolla underneath .


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Posted: 2008-06-22 17:30:45
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How does any of this relate to X1 ? Let me guess, because HTC is the OEM, SE is going to automatically inherit all of HTC's software/driver/design flaws ? Suppose, for a moment, that HTC is indeed only manufacturing the X1 and is doing everything else.


I'm actually looking foward to a complete suite of apps from --not just their Xpanel task launcher. If Xpanels were all were adding to the hardware, then they would be doing only a little better than the Samsung i900 I'm very intersted in the complete package of the X1...software and hardware. Their entire suite of apps. I'm anxious to see what the new SMS features has added to the latest ROM update (I text alot). BB say's they are new to any WM device.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-22 17:06 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 18:04:03
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The GPU implementation of the Diamond and the X1 should be identical. Forget about it being a HTC, even the iMate has the MSM7200 processor and there is'nt a proper implememntation, the LG KS20 has another improper implementation, now if none of the manufacturers can properly implement the 3D acceleration then there must be something flawed with the hardware dont you think? THis is not pertaining to video acceleration but 3D and OpenGL.

This is getting tireing, I have explained several times over that the XPanel is like a fancy touchFlo, its got a whole suite of apps, A today screen, RSS Feeds, MediaPlayer, Image Viewer etc.. Now these are assocaited to the XPanel, as far as I've heard from SE source XPanel is fixed you cant add your own apps, its only waht SE provides. At boot up all these XPanel apps are loaded into the RAM, this is why the RAM has been increased. THe 128Mb versions of the X1 did not have these additional apps and even if they did they were not fully functioning , I hope you understand this.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 18:16:26
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I can't remember a source, but I remember hearing that panels will be very easy to develop and openly ready to download. You will be able to have a collection of panels. You will choose 9 panels at any one time to be your activated panels.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 18:35:26
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Now that's some good logic right there We'll have to keep our eye out for the results.


That's logical too! Well, more RAM is a good thing by most standards. I think the finalized software and panels provided by and developers should really make the X1 special. I don't think the panels are a closed system, though.

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Posted: 2008-06-22 18:36:49
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I'm wondering if it will look bad. My LCD TV have 24-bit (16,777,216 colors) and the transition between colors can look strange in some cases compared to my 32-bit cert screen. So how will then the 16-bit Xperia X1 with 65,536 available colors look? Maby you won't notice it because of the small screen compared to 42" though.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 20:36:47
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Hi WhyBe

Well just came across a couple of interesting Video's on YouTube the first shows that perhaps besides the panels it's not quite as finger friendly as you seem to think as the guy seems to have to use the stylus a lot. As the standard WM selection boxes are to small to activate with a finger and need to stylus tip you can check it out here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuzivsHJks&feature=related

Also you know you keep on saying one touch well it looks like when the panels respond some of them actually need double tapping not a single touch and one of them froze completely as it wouldn't open the app or side scroll through the thumbnails at all. As can be seen here in this video posted just a few days ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qe_ohf0Re4

Marc



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Posted: 2008-06-22 20:46:50
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