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confusing names between japan and the rest of the world is nothing new. take a look at the final fantasy series, for example.
that being said, I surely hope the Z5 flagship to come is a monster of a device that has new design philosophy and features that make everyone wow. sometimes it not about having something new and crazy, but doing everything that is known better than everyone else.
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Posted: 2015-06-05 18:45:51
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On 2015-06-05 16:32:28, ascariss wrote:
This was rumoured or mentioned on some forum or tweet. They could use Z4 and then Z5 for Japan, since the number 4 isn't really that favoured in Japan. Only issue would be marketing and some costs related to the different name.
They already sell Z
4 in Japan...
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Posted: 2015-06-06 14:54:44
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On 2015-06-06 14:54:44, penguino wrote:
On 2015-06-05 16:32:28, ascariss wrote:
This was rumoured or mentioned on some forum or tweet. They could use Z4 and then Z5 for Japan, since the number 4 isn't really that favoured in Japan. Only issue would be marketing and some costs related to the different name.
They already sell Z
4 in Japan...
That's why the Z4 would have a short life span of only 5-6 months and then sony JP would go onto the Z5 in the fall. While the rest of the world would transition from the Z3+ to the Z4.
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2015-06-06 17:37 ]
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Posted: 2015-06-06 17:32:59
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Little bit off topic.
We can wonder if on many markets has been discontinued the Z3 compact, and many operators experienced really high rates of defective devices.
Two replacements + third Z3 Compact + a glass of water for few seconds = 3 of 3 = 100% of 3 units defective
This is my third Z3 compact (the first was replaced due to loose sim card flap, the second's screen panel just suddenly separated from the body).
Yesterday with friends jut tried if it is really wateproof. We put it in a glass of water, called it. After that I've cheked that under the flaps entered no water, and everything was fine.
After few hours this vapor appeared on the camera and LED. The phone's all functions are working including the camera, but you can't take pictures with the vapor on it. So water resist test failed, and I'm getting angrier.
Relatively high price for Sony phones isn't unjustified, while assebly quality is getting weaker than chinese manufacturers', and even Sony's innovation is getting behind them.
Sony MUST improve some things, not to mention camera performance. While they are fooling with present customers, I can't trust them in advace related to their future devices.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2015-06-07 01:32 ]
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Posted: 2015-06-07 02:26:26
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This isn't the thread to be complaining about this. Go to the Z3 Compact forum.
Is there evidence of there being a large number of Z3 Compacts not being 100% waterproof? If so, provide it. You could quite easily just be very unlucky. This does happen in life. If there is no evidence of widespread water sealing issues then I'm afraid its tough luck. Anecdotes don't matter a great deal.
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Posted: 2015-06-07 02:31:57
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That thread is almost dead. Just like Sony Mobile is obviously dying.
Just like all their designers or engineers from R&D would be on vacation since the developement of Xperia Z1. Or would they be fired?
Sony have got behind Chinese manufacturers, not just is sales, but in offerings as well. They are obviuosly using the milk cow strategy for it's mobile business, than let Sony Mobile rest in peace. They just re-used the Z1's offerings for the fourth time in Z4/Z3+, wihout eliminating the issues or without developing anything noteworthy.
Name and count what Z3+ offers over the Z1 for the double of it's price? Marginally nothing. Than why would anybody buy the Z3+ for 700 euro? I'm getting more and more convinced that Z5 will be nothing more, only the 5th generation of facelifted Z1.
If I replace my Z3 compact for 35 euros with insurance (because warranty doesn't covers water damage), I just hope that my 4th device won't be defective. BUT I can't expect anything more from Sony, neither camera improvements neither better assembled units, nor anything revolitionally new compared to Z1 in their future devices.
PS. I'm one of the most loyal Ericsson/SonyEricsson/Sony buyer, not an Apple or Samsung fanboy.
What do you say? Would be normal to replace for the 3rd time my Z3 Compact since January, when I bought it?
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2015-06-07 02:05 ]
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Posted: 2015-06-07 03:02:02
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[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2015-06-07 02:05 ]
Kinda happy it happened to you man, had four waterproof models from Sony and all were good.
But this may be happening too, sh!t does happen and might aswell happen to you.
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Posted: 2015-06-07 03:36:41
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@puestadelsol You and I sir share the same sentiments. I am not foolish enough to even consider that the Z5 will offer a tremendous upgrade over the Z1. I've been waiting so many years to see Sony deliver something substantial but it seems that only Samsung has real intent of offering something worthy of an upgrade. As such my it's very likely my next device will be the Note 5 provided Sony doesn't offer anything worthy. What is the point of not selling the Sony mobile division if you're making inferior devices compared to the rest? We're talking about tarnishing the image of Sony Mobile for the sake of being relevant or just having a presence in the mobile landscape to be "competitive". I'm sorry the next best thing is a Galaxy Note. What will be the point of the waiting on Z5 that if or when they offer "mediocre" specifications we will say you know what the Z6 will be better because it will come with the Snapdragon 820. We are smarter than this, I didn't post this to rally anyone to join me if things don't go as planned but I've pretty much had it.
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Posted: 2015-06-07 04:38:27
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Wow. The quality of Esato has certainly degraded tremendously. Now we've new accounts, who never posted, created just to encourage users to switch to Samsung and post nothing relevant to the this thread. Lel.
Again. Changing to a 4k screen and changing the back cheap plastic back to glass isn't revolutionary at all.
Guys, there's a rumour thread out there in XDA that are moderated to prevent trolls like the dude above.
It have been snowing here for months (look at the icon) and it's pointless to stay here. Bye Esato. Had fond memories here.
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Posted: 2015-06-07 04:48:59
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This is my first post and for months now I've been reading this thread every day so don't be ignorant by believing every time someone is opposing Sony mobile for not being impressive they're a troll. You have eyes as well and can see.
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Posted: 2015-06-07 04:57:29
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