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On 2008-12-08 21:45:49, doministry wrote:
On 2008-12-08 21:44:39, SloopJohnB wrote:
You shouldnīt get P1i. UIQ is going nowhere and the device is old by now. Its hardware was criticized for being outdated when it came out, can u imagine it now? Poor chip, bad graphics, bad RAM, buggy firmwares and a platform thatīs being abandoned. Do yourself a favor and stay away from it. They should be paying u to get this phone.
I use it every day and believe me - or not - but it's great.
I second that
- new apps still appearing all the time... I've got loads of downloads I haven't even had time to try out on my P1i
And why buy an unknown phone with bugs waiting to be ironed out when P1is are so cheap now???
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Posted: 2008-12-09 01:41:10
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On 2008-12-08 22:20:02, SloopJohnB wrote:
It may work ok and thereīs always personal preference involved but u have to think ahead. Youīll be putting money on a device thatīs outdated and on a platform thatīs ending. Not to mention the great chances of ending up with a buggy and slow device. This isnīt just me saying, google it or look here in esato and uīll find topics about this.
If you want a īsymbianī device, get a nokia. If u want a touchscreen device u can wait for N97 or get a WM device if thatīs your thing. Even android would be better because itīs a growing platform. Thereīs the iphone too if you feel like trying something new. You gotta think about what you want/need on a device. Honestly, I canīt see anything a P1i can do that a more modern WM or Symbian canīt do in a much better fashion.
Mate, have you actually used any of the phones mentioned in your post? I've been using the P1i for over an year and can honestly say that it hasn't crashed once in the past 2 (or maybe 3) months. Sure there are some missing apps and oft-requested features (flash support, for example) but overall the platform is quite stable, in fact a lot more than my X1. The UIQ (or even S60 for that matter) platform is simple enough for the newbie to get his/her hands dirty while WM (or even the iPhoneOS) certainly require a lot more tweaking or hands-on work to set it up just the way you want.
Don't go blindly by the specs - the N97 might look good on paper but has some SERIOUS flaws that I mentioned in the N97 thread, like the absolutely horrendous (and tiny) space bar button in the corner, for example. It also doesn't look all that great.
You advise potential SymbianOS owners to get a Nokia - the same Nokia that churns out wobbly devices like the N85, a miserable failure called the N96 and the poorly designed S60v5 interface on the 5800XM?
Android is nice and having lived with a friend's G1 for a couple of days, I agree that the platform has a lot of potential. GMail integration is spectacularly good but the G1 is too industrial, too old-fashioned and too clumsy. I wouldn't want to be caught dead with one in front of my friends or at a club. Perhaps the G2 or G3 will fix that.
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Posted: 2008-12-09 05:06:18
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doministry,
You must be living under a stone or something. People buy iphones just because of the touchscreen? Or the UI? Yeah, itīs the only multitouch device on the market and becase of that itīs the best for viewing office, pdf and isilo files (yes, iīve tryed others, ok?) but what about the app store? The damn thing is getting 2,2 million downloads every day and growing! Thatīs people using a phone to do computer stuff more and more every day. The fact that not only ītechiesī are doing it (read the business satisfaction surveys concerning the iphone please...) but common users too is GREAT. Thatīs what a good concept combined with good design have to provide. They have to make technology more and more popular and relevant in peopleīs lives. Selling many phones is not synonym with quality but being popular doesnīt make it worst. Thatīs a very common but very wrong idea.
If you want to talk about the iphoneīs shortcomings, feel free to do it. We all know its problems and I personally know of a bunch of ways to get around many of them. But letīs be realistic. Empty flamings like īiphone users are hypnotized by appleī is simply ridiculous.
I know this is a
forum and I once was a very happy
enthusiast. I canīt remember anticipating more for a phone or anything than I did for K750i. But u guys have to get out of this globe. See what else is out there, whatīs new and exciting in todayīs market. Buying an almost 2 year-old phone just because itīs īgoodī and
is not offering anything good right now is VERY sad.
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Posted: 2008-12-09 05:28:32
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gforce23,
I mentioned Nokia N97 because to me it seemed like a more īcompleteī device. Iīll explain why. The N series is very rich soft and hardware-wise but because of its lack of a qwerty keyboard itīs more like a teenage phone than anything else to me. The E series is very powerful too but it just doesnt do multimedia very well. The N97 seems to me like a strong combination of both. Iīm not saying itīs perfect. Iīve seen some videos and itīs kinda sllugish now plus nokia went with resistive touch which I think itīs a mistake. Anyway.
Another thing. My comments on P1i were simply based on what Iīve read around but even if itīs got its bugs sorted now I still think we oughta look ahead.
[ This Message was edited by: SloopJohnB on 2008-12-09 07:00 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-09 05:39:44
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SloopJohnB
Please just look at the context of my comments, and you'll see what I mean.
I'm not any super SE fanboy neither a dedicated iPhone hater, that would be funny.
However what I've said about the iPhone's market situation is 100% true and it's sales is absolutely caused because people get hypnotized by Apple or get it for free with contracts.
People who consciously use their devices and their features are 5% not more.
And I also stated - the above facts does not imply the device is bad itself. It's just overhyped.
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Posted: 2008-12-09 09:09:33
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On 2008-12-09 09:09:33, doministry wrote:
People who consciously use their devices and their features are 5% not more.
My god - it was 10% yesterday, 5% of those users must have been hypnotized overnight. Those Apple bastards!
And I also stated - the above facts does not imply the device is bad itself. It's just overhyped.
It's a good job you're here to impart these "facts"
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Posted: 2008-12-09 09:49:54
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Problems with emotions, heh...
Apple thing
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Posted: 2008-12-09 10:49:10
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Yep, the whole Apple vs Everything Else debate is one set to run forever
I personally don't like the way that Apple seem to never quite relinquish ownership of their devices even after the customer has paid for them, but hey I guess this suits most of their devotees by keeping life simple (Itunes, Appstore etc.).
The controversey must have given Apple a hell of a lot of free advertising over the years, with all their accolites singiing their praises
I do find it interesting that what seems to harm the image of any manufacturer is a level of objectivity - I guess that's why they spend so much on marketing...
OnT - I hope that SE "learn the lessons" from the last couple of years and continue with the P phones by taking them back to their roots, by truly analizing what made the P800 - P910 so good, after all what with forums such as this, there is no lack of customer feedback. With that, may I start a campaign for the return of the 5-way jog dial?
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Posted: 2008-12-09 11:05:42
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I'm REALLY afraid that the fashion for all-touch screen devices will make more difficult life to those qwerty and keys equipped smartphones.
I really hope I'll still be able to buy those hardware equipped devices in the future, since the whole developement goes into screen.
Just see how the hardware controls are dumped in favour to screen.
I mean - a great screen is a fabulous thing, but after Pseries is gone, there's simply no one handed qwerty device anymore. One-handed in a full sense, since P1i/M600 is one handed only to some extent.
Xperia looks the most convinient in this regard.
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Posted: 2008-12-09 11:25:22
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@ Dogmann - you know Marc, I think what makes you such a great poster is your ability to take the person out of an argument, and really target the issues at hand. I know you'd never make something like this personal - you're not interested in attacking other posters on a personal level, or trying to settle old scores, just a reasoned argument on the topic at hand - and that's why we all respect you so very much. You really are a great, big, debater.
Now, I've been here since 2002 - that's six years (or 10% to you, doministry). In that time, many things have changed, many new phones and new technologies have come and gone, and yes - like any rational human being - my own thinking on various subjects has changed, evolved, and naturally been informed by personal experience. So look back through this forum and you'll find many thousands of posts from me over the years, many of which are outdated and/or just plain wrong now. But with hand on heart, I stand by each and every one of them, because each and every one of them was a true account of what I thought and what I knew at the time. So go ahead, quote anything, quote everything, I stand by it all without reservation. I don't recognise the thing about 16m colours taking too much battery life, but by all means quote it for me.
Is it surprising that my purchasing decisions broadly reflect my own thoughts on the best phone/OS at any one time? Perhaps to you.
Look back at the origins of this particular thread - since the start, in June, when the iPhone 3G was announced (and I was still locked into my Tytn II for another 4-5 months) I was warning that it was going to change things. It did.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-12-09 11:35 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-09 12:26:56
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