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On 2015-09-20 18:40:51, hello1000 wrote:
On 2015-09-20 17:34:35, ascariss wrote:
On 2015-09-20 14:54:50, penguino wrote:
Bad job Sony, there's way too much noise on every picture.
I did a quick analysis of these photos in this thread when the article came out and yes there is too much noise, which is a shame. In addition the shutter speed in some photos is too short when compared to the S6 and G4. Seems the sony software prefers to up the ISO and not the shutter speed in order to get more light in. The others are helped by their OIS and can increase the amount of light by making the shutter speed longer and using a lower ISO as well to reduce noise.
Still it is not an entire loss for sony, in the photo where ISO and shutter speed were very close to identical, the Z5 can hold it's own against the rest.
But the noise, this is still a major issue sony needs to solve.
OIS has nothing to do with anyting, only reduce shaking the handset, Sony allready mention it and that's why sony has their own software based.
You OIS freaks need to relax instead trolling here how bad the cam is.
Of course you are 100% right, OIS has nothing to do with anything, thank you for the clarification.
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2015-09-20 20:29 ]
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Posted: 2015-09-20 21:18:20
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from the chinese interview, it looks like Z5 line up is the first collaboration with the alpha camera team. I think they mean hardware + software. And they also mentioned not all the features from the Camera division will be included because phone and camera users ask for different features.
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Posted: 2015-09-20 21:34:34
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On 2015-09-20 18:40:51, hello1000 wrote:
OIS has nothing to do with anyting, only reduce shaking the handset, Sony allready mention it and that's why sony has their own software based.
Yes, OIS reduces the shakiness therefore it allows to set longer exposure times and lower ISO. It means better pictures. Digital stabilization doesn't work while taking full res pictures.
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Posted: 2015-09-20 22:05:01
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On 2015-09-20 18:40:51, hello1000 wrote:
On 2015-09-20 17:34:35, ascariss wrote:
On 2015-09-20 14:54:50, penguino wrote:
Bad job Sony, there's way too much noise on every picture.
I did a quick analysis of these photos in this thread when the article came out and yes there is too much noise, which is a shame. In addition the shutter speed in some photos is too short when compared to the S6 and G4. Seems the sony software prefers to up the ISO and not the shutter speed in order to get more light in. The others are helped by their OIS and can increase the amount of light by making the shutter speed longer and using a lower ISO as well to reduce noise.
Still it is not an entire loss for sony, in the photo where ISO and shutter speed were very close to identical, the Z5 can hold it's own against the rest.
But the noise, this is still a major issue sony needs to solve.
OIS has nothing to do with anyting, only reduce shaking the handset, Sony allready mention it and that's why sony has their own software based.
You OIS freaks need to relax instead trolling here how bad the cam is.
Oh really? Then why is Sony putting OIS in its all digital cameras? Are they stupid?
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Posted: 2015-09-21 14:47:20
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They're not putting OIS in all their cameras
Firstly, Sony doesn't use Optical Image Stabilization in their camera (OIS is nothing more than a controlled decentering of optical element), they use sensor shift stabilization which moves the whole sensor.
Secondly, their high-end full-frame RX1 didn't include any kind of stabilization for pictures and yet it was capable of producing outstanding shots.
Thirdly, benefits of stabilization are best when used with tele lenses or in low-light. In daylight when paired with fast lens you won't see much difference.
In case of mobile cameras, OIS can help with lowlight shots - with shaky hands, noisy pictures but nothing more really. So I agree that Sony should work on engineering either OIS in their next lens or shrink their sensor shift mechanism, the latter would be better for marketing
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Posted: 2015-09-21 15:31:16
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On 2015-09-21 15:31:16, Wishmaster89 wrote:
In case of mobile cameras, OIS can help with lowlight shots - with shaky hands, noisy pictures but nothing more really.
"Nothing more really"? Isn't that enough? That's where Xperias were struggling the most compared to other flagships. Digital stabilization is good at stabilizing videos but it reduces the amount of details.
PS. There's no OIS in the RX1 because therew as no space for it because of massive sensor. It makes up for it in low light situations.
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Posted: 2015-09-21 18:47:06
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https://youtu.be/eO-0HuXqgFU
Sony is totally bragging about the Z5's camera. Sadly, note 5 captures sharper images although from my xperience with the z series, the camera is really capable with the right tweak and settings. It's just crippled by superior auto
[ This Message was edited by: Shino03 on 2015-09-21 18:11 ]
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Posted: 2015-09-21 19:09:27
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On 2015-09-21 15:31:16, Wishmaster89 wrote:
They're not putting OIS in all their cameras
Firstly, Sony doesn't use Optical Image Stabilization in their camera (OIS is nothing more than a controlled decentering of optical element), they use sensor shift stabilization which moves the whole sensor.
Secondly, their high-end full-frame RX1 didn't include any kind of stabilization for pictures and yet it was capable of producing outstanding shots.
Thirdly, benefits of stabilization are best when used with tele lenses or in low-light. In daylight when paired with fast lens you won't see much difference.
In case of mobile cameras, OIS can help with lowlight shots - with shaky hands, noisy pictures but nothing more really. So I agree that Sony should work on engineering either OIS in their next lens or shrink their sensor shift mechanism, the latter would be better for marketing
Depends what we call OIS. You are correct in saying Sony uses an OIS system which moves the entire sensor but there are some lenses from Sony and other companies that provide OIS. Both my 35 and 50 mm from Sony have optical steady shot built into the lenses. My 18-105 G lens also has OSS.
As penguino and you wrote, OIS would help with low light photos to increase more light.
iphone6 vs 6plus (with OIS), shows the difference OIS can make
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]hones-camera-is-better_id65929
@Shino03
The video seems like another commercial disguised as a review. Funny enough, her model has the new camera app which is supposed to debut in November. While manual mode on xperias is great, the average person buying the phone will not bother with the settings and will just use superior auto, and this is what Sony needs to fix.
Also something I noticed, seems like the SCN mode selection is still capped at 8MP, when she selected fireworks, she selected 8MP. Shame if true.
Once devices start hitting stores and people begging using the camera, we will find out if Sony fixed the noise issue and made a great, good, average or poor camera.
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Posted: 2015-09-21 20:43:28
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S6 VS Z5 camera
http://www.zoomit.ir/articles[....]ng-galaxy-s6-camera-comparison
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Posted: 2015-09-21 21:40:54
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Fake VS
Xperia Z5
Galaxy S6
http://umbrella333.blogspot.c[....]iphone-6-plus-vs-s6-vs-z3.html
All comparisons are wrong
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Posted: 2015-09-21 21:58:05
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