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Me and other russians have not done anything bad to other country!
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Posted: 2004-05-23 20:21:32
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Then tell me who marched into Budapest in '56 and broke down our uprising? And who subdued the Baltic countries after WW2? Who let millions of Ukrains die in that great femine? Even though it obviously wasn't you or 1 of yr fellow citizens, once you'll have 2 pay 4 all the pains and sufferings your leaders did commit.
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Posted: 2004-05-23 20:33:07
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Sorry for the error post.
I feel sorry for the people from these countries. But I didn't even vote for that government. It all happened as a terrible disaster for us. We and our parents experienced many problems with USSR but managed to get rid of it.
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Posted: 2004-05-23 20:41:24
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sorry gezza this is not thread about 1956 in hun or 1999 in yugo or 2002 in irq but the thread about cooperation and help in europe.no flaming here
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Posted: 2004-05-23 20:42:15
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and its silent here.one not good expression and everything is gone.ppl if serbs will swear to americans ,hungarians to russians we may finish no sense to go on.thats our sad history and nothing can be changed.after all we all are here not to repeat of mistakes last century.you are the generation who will run europe.
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Posted: 2004-05-23 21:25:07
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Well I see very little of the europe I know in this thread right now
Do any of you have any sort of 'european feeling' and do any of you see a 'european future' with all forces joined?
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On 2004-05-23 20:33:07, Gezza wrote:
Even though it obviously wasn't you or 1 of yr fellow citizens, once you'll have 2 pay 4 all the pains and sufferings your leaders did commit.
I would personally hope that we should not take your text too literal here, as I think it is generally and worldwide understood that one person should not pay for the crimes of another.
I'm sure if we looked we'd find some serious dirt on one of the past eladers of your country as well.... should you pay for that?
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On 2004-05-23 18:22:01, boto43 wrote:
Ive been twice in muslim country (Turkey and Tunisia).But I didnt feel fine there.I dont know why. I think they are different as Europeans.
Thats maybe religion or culture or way of life.
Or perhaps it's even YOUR perception of another ppl's religion or way of life
Also i doubt Turkey and Tunisia can model for the WHOLE world of Islam. Just as your statemnet 'different from Europeans' could mean anything. I doubt you and I have anything in common when it comes to background, values, experiences, beliefs and way of life. Yet we are both Europeans.....
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Posted: 2004-05-23 21:27:22
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Yep, friendship is nice!
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Posted: 2004-05-23 21:28:19
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vlamm thats onlymy opinion maybe there was too hot there i dont know now.i didnt say anything badabout the ppl andtheir religion.im sure we arent the same.youre a woman and very pretty woman.
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Posted: 2004-05-23 21:52:30
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Europe has a certain culture and philosophy. Part of this is the separation between state affairs and religion. Unfortunately, Tunisia and the like have state and religion strongly mixed. It has nothing to do with the way people behave, it has to do with people being forced to follow the rules of some sort of religious hierarchy. Even if they don't agree with that religion. This is not the sort of "freedom" Europe aims at.
By the way, us europeans should refuse with the strongest force the current views of the Roman catholic church trying to impose a reference to christianism in the EU constitution. Inquisition is not far away, if we don't take care.
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Posted: 2004-05-24 00:22:23
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@Vojo
I am not keen to start an argument, but I would like to make the point that you made an issue of the NATO campaign against Serbia. I have absolutely nothing against Serbia and although I was in favour of NATO intervention, I did think it was awful that innocent people were killed.
I have no interest in starting a debate on the rights and wrongs of military action against Serbia in this thread, but if you would like to continue this discussion then please pm me, as I feel it is detracting from the purpose of this tread; if you do not wish to continue the discussion then please ignore this part of my post. I apologise to all for bringing this up again, however, I feel that I have a right to fair reply.
We have a real opportunity to bring true peace to Europe, after centuries of warfare, but we will never achieve that if we continue to blame one another for past transgressions and mistakes. Whether we like it or not, Russia is part of Europe and the EU will eventually have to look at the idea of bringing Russia into the fold.
European history is full of rivalries e.g. Britain vs. France, France vs. Germany, Britain vs. Germany, Austrians (and Hungary) vs. Serbia, Britain vs. Ireland, Spain vs. England, Greece vs. Turkey, and many more. If we are to achieve peace and prosperity then we must stop bringing up these differences and start to concentrate on what we have in common. It does nobody any good to constantly bring up events that happened in the past and, which the current generation of a particular nation had nothing to do with; are we to continually blame Germans for the Holocaust even though most Germans now alive had nothing to do with it? Are we to blame the Russians for all the years of oppression in Eastern Europe, even though the current generation of Russians had nothing to do with it?
Europe is unique in the world in that we have been the cradle of so much discovery and science and yet also the cradle of most of the world's wars and horrors. I believe that we should remain individual nation states, but at the same time join together for a common good that would finally see Europe united in trade, science, democracy, peace and freedom.
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