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On 2006-12-17 16:16:49, CyberVisitor wrote:
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On 2006-12-17 14:41:35, sapporobaby wrote:
/.../ The k800i had its day. It is an old phone, that was at the top of the game when it came out /.../
You really are a funny little fellow
And you are such a "Merchant Banker"
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Posted: 2006-12-17 16:21:40
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don't mind sarpy guys... he has nothing worthwhile to do i guess.
also if we might remember previous phones were way older then 6 months and still getting firmware upgrade...
So RIP?... hmmm he might have had a bad exprience with the phone.. maybe lost it....
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Posted: 2006-12-17 16:24:45
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Hi all,
I come on here to check for f/w updates and to see availability and functionality. Yet I would estimate that 60% of the messages I have to read through seem to be forum members attempting to directly, or indirectly insult each other, or in some cases apparently exercising their ego's.
This is not a personal attack on anyone, as we all keep the forum alive by posting our issues and queries, but can we not just focuss on the issue at hand, and try not to make judgement or predictions on the global "mobile phone" economy and the impacts new products will have upon said issue.
On to a more technical issue, through all my reading of this thread, I haven't noticed anyones specific comment of upgrading their f/w over the air through the K800's submenu. Has anyone used this, and how did it go?
Cheers
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Posted: 2006-12-17 16:32:32
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On 2006-12-17 16:24:45, baste07 wrote:
don't mind sarpy guys... he has nothing worthwhile to do i guess.
also if we might remember previous phones were way older then 6 months and still getting firmware upgrade...
So RIP?... hmmm he might have had a bad exprience with the phone.. maybe lost it....
Bat-sh_t,
You have never proven yourself to be anything but a whiner, "where are the upgrades? Is a new one out yet? What does it do? Help, I need an upgrade." Talk about nothing worthwhile to do.
Anyway, SE has historically not released more than 3 to 4 upgrades and maybe a 5th to fix something wrong in the 4th. There is an end of life-cycle. If you knew ANY thing about phones, you would know this.
Next time stay in school and try to learn something before opening your mouth. As always, I invite you to prove me incorrect. You have been unsuccessful so far but hey, you might get lucky.
By the way, my k800i is either in my pocket or in the draw.
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Posted: 2006-12-17 16:36:52
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@shazzydoosh,
Good point and good question. I have spoken to SE techies that I know back in Finland. They say it does not work too well, however it does work in limited instances.
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Posted: 2006-12-17 16:40:28
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This debate is quite amusing. Yes, the hardware might be 'old', but it's the same platform they'll be using for some time. No company builds a hardware platform and then replaces it in a few months! If they have to do that, they're going to seriously suffer financially. Nokia were first to cotton on to this idea, and look where they are in the world rankings.
The W850i is based on the K800i platform, and you can be sure that many of the 40-60 new products due for 2007 will be the same (that doesn't mean they can't add new features, like a better camera or more memory).
The K750i is still in production for prepay and emerging markets, in limited edition colours. SE has seen how it worked for Motorola etc to produce pink, brown, silver models etc.. The K800i is out now in a variety of new colours so it certainly isn't time to say RIP yet. Our magazine, and countless others, gave it lots of awards in 2006 and it will be a best seller at Christmas. In fact, SE will probably enjoy good sales of the K750i (prepay) and W850, K800 for contract.
Bear in mind also that Sony Ericsson is now no. 1 in the UK, having outsold Nokia for some months. Apple can't come in overnight and take over, because the millions of handsets sold with Walkman players has resulted in people that want a phone & music trusting Sony's brand. Sure, people like to have their iPod (and many don't want an all-in-one device) but why should someone that wants a phone suddenly trust Apple to deliver? Walkman was a strong brand and the reputation is being restored. No wonder Apple had to take notice of the future loss of sales if they sat on the fence.
Apple had massive success with the iPod, no doubt (partly helped by Sony's inept attitude at the time), but they've not taken over the PC world even though OSX and the design of their laptops are excellent. The fact is, they've got their niche market but that doesn't mean they will succeed in any new market they enter. Naturally, I await the time that I am proved wrong if it happens.
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Posted: 2006-12-17 19:38:29
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@jmcomms,
Nice post dude.
My point is, and I think you will agree is that phone manufactures move on after a period of time. They may maintain the core platform but the build upon it and seldom look back. In this very thread, you have the hanger-oner's crying and whining over an upgrade that may or may not come. If SE feels that the k800i is stable enough, they will not bother with an upgrade for minimal things. In this very thread you have people that seem to do nothing except bug hunt and then demand a fix for something that is miniscule in comparison to something major.
The comment about Apple not taking over the computer market is moot. Microsoft makes software while Apple is a hardare/software company. The comparison is not really there. Now, if you say Windows vs. Mac OS X, then you can compare, but in reality your comparison does not make much sense. The comparison is similar to the Ferrari vs. VW Beetle comparison. They are both cars but they serve two different markets with different ideas about where they want to go and how to get there.
I am however with you on the wait and see aspect. It should get interesting and hopefully something good for us consumers.
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Posted: 2006-12-17 20:08:50
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On 2006-12-17 16:02:22, sapporobaby wrote:
Fact: If the iPhone has just half the uptake as the iPod did, does, and continues to do, it will make a market impact that SE has never achieved.
Fact: If the iPhone, like the iPod provides its users with a great interface and the ability to load and unload songs as simply as the iPod does, SE will have a big problem on its hands because the bundles software is nothing less than crap.
Fact: How many iPods out there and how many SE phones? Go do the math Einstein.
FACT??? You use that term as if all you say is a godly truth. Jesus! Get a grip for crying out loud!
"Fact": Yes if the non-existing iPhone would gain half of iPods success it will be a huge achievement. That is kind of stating the obvious. The real issue here is why should they become such a big success? The phone market is not the same as the portable multimedia player market. A very good example of this is Apple close collaboration with Motorola. They need someone to help them get into this market because what Apple offer is only a small part of the whole mobile phone experience. And the remained part is not something they have ANY goodwill in. Who do you trust more to make a phone? Apple or Nokia? I think i know what many users would prefer.
"Fact": The iPod does not have the ability to let users use other software than their iTunes which is not a easy or even convenient way to transfer files. Especially on the PC.... and guess what people use. Oh and the "great interface" they which is a Mac-fans word for "simple" and borrowed is not necessary good for phones.
"Fact": Why don't you compare Apple with... ORANGES!
Do the math Einstein: How many PC's are out the compared to Apple computers? Does this means if Microsoft creates a phone it will totally dominate everything? Did this happen with Windows Mobile phones? That is not very logical conclusion!
They did something great with the iPod because there was almost NO competition and all the other companies in this segment was rather small or didn't care for much for this market. Guess what: This is not the case with the mobile phone market...
For someone as pretentious and "wise" as you are, you really don't understand much....but preaching and stepping on other people’s opinions is right up your alley it seems.
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. “
-Bertrand Russell, philosopher, mathematician, author, Nobel laureate (1872-1970)
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Posted: 2006-12-18 12:13:36
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Quote:The comment about Apple not taking over the computer market is moot. Microsoft makes software while Apple is a hardare/software company. The comparison is not really there. Now, if you say Windows vs. Mac OS X, then you can compare, but in reality your comparison does not make much sense. The comparison is similar to the Ferrari vs. VW Beetle comparison. They are both cars but they serve two different markets with different ideas about where they want to go and how to get there.
Well, as a Mac Mini user (as well as an iBook and Windows PC), I think I can say that the comparison is valid. There are more PC users than Mac users, and Apple has only had limited success in changing it.
It's also looking quite bad for Apple when most publishing houses are actually going from Mac to PC (unheard of a few years ago). With the launch of Intel Mac's, you're also seeing the likelihood that people will run Windows on their Mac machines. If this happens on a large scale, you'll see the end of OS X and Apple will simply become a hardware manufacturer.
Apple make nice, no, fantastic, looking machines but developers still shun it. Now the Mac is finding itself the target of various security breaches and attacks, I suppose people are figuring that they might as well stick with Windows.
As stated elsewhere, I hate iTunes. I love the iPod for its simplicity, but when SE produced the W800i, it fitted my needs perfectly. I commute an hour each way, per day. 1 or 2GB of music is all I need. Now I use a W950i (now here's a device that we should all be whingeing about when it comes to dodgy firmware) I have 1050 tracks. At home, I've got 20GB of music but I've never seen the need to carry it all with me. Clearly other people are just as happy, because I now see as many people with a Walkman phone as I do with an iPod.
I can't help but feel the iPhone will be something akin to the W950 or N91, as battery life is essential now it's on all the time. What makes anyone believe Apple can fix the problems facing every other, established, manufacturer? Will it use a fuel cell battery? Will it have a clip on battery pack? Unlikely. I suspect it will be a fairly basic offering (a step up from the Motorola ROKR models), with Apple knowing that it will sell regardless (especially in the USA) to those who are brand loyal. I can't really see it making much of a dent anywhere else.
To be honest, the best solution would be to integrate something like the GEAR4 BluEye into an ordinary iPod, so you have your music player with up to 80GB of storage.. and can make/receive calls with your ordinary phone via the headphones (which could also be wireless). Best of both worlds. If Apple did this I'd expect it to fly off the shelves because most phones now have Bluetooth. I might even go for a superslim, basic, phone and an iPod then.
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Posted: 2006-12-18 13:12:16
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Here is the iPhone...
http://www.linksys.com/servle[....]ksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper
Which also shows that Apple won't even be able to use the name iPhone when they do launch something. Oh dear!
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Posted: 2006-12-18 13:40:48
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