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Yes indeed.
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadget[....]e-its-cellphone-now-222393.php
I can't stand the “perfect phone “thing. Apple has NO experience in making phones and yes some phone manufacturers have lame old menus (Nokia I am looking at you) but most doesn't. I don't see where Apple will improve.
And the reason why iPod is so popular is there was no competition when they established the brand. The "famous" user-friendliness is not so perfect and Creative's players are better IMO. Also in Apples....they stole it.
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Posted: 2006-12-18 15:14:10
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aremaboy, silence is golden!
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Posted: 2006-12-18 16:02:00
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@jmcomms,
You seemed to come off a bit offensive when I am quite sure that I did not approach you that way. In fact, I said that you had made a nice post. If you desire to be offensive, we can take it to PM and do it there. However, my point was more so about the end of life cycle that devices go through rather than a long life support system that many here think should exist. By all standards, the k800i, a nice phone, is old. Over 6 months. SE is not going to put that many resources towards future development or bug fixes if the phone is quite stable and for the most part it is. SE, as well as the other manufactures, put out a few upgrades, fix a bug or two and then move on to the next best thing.
When I write a post I tend to be very succinct and to the point as I assume, probably wrong in retrospect, that many to most have a grasp of basic concepts, points, ideas, etc..... so I get right to the point and say my piece. If this made you offensive, then my bad, if not then so be it. Life will go on.
@trentors,
I will get back to you later when I have the time or inclination.
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Posted: 2006-12-18 16:52:56
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R1GB001
I was at Sony Ericsson´s Experience Center in Lund in Sweden they flashed my phone with R1ED001 !!! not with R1GB001 as you mentioned in the main topic !!! And my phone is UNBRANDED ...
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Posted: 2006-12-18 17:01:24
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@trentors,
I will get back to you later when I have the time or inclination.
Well I feel much honored. Whenever it fits your highness, is fine by me.
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Posted: 2006-12-18 17:47:15
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Quote:You seemed to come off a bit offensive when I am quite sure that I did not approach you that way. In fact, I said that you had made a nice post. If you desire to be offensive, we can take it to PM and do it there.
I don't think I've said anything offensive. I've merely given an opinion and justified myself when questioned (namely the Apple vs Windows bit). I certainly don't intend to start an argument, or begin a war in private email!
I will say that I don't believe that a hardware platform is 'old' after 6 months (and, if anything, it's actually a lot older as it was shown off at the start of the year to the press and would have been in development for even longer). Nokia, Motorola, Sendo (in particular, even though they're no more), Sony Ericsson and the others all develop platforms to use for years.
Pick the correct chipset, and there's nothing to stop you adding a bigger screen, more memory, a better camera or a faster processor. The successor the K800i could easily use the same platform but still have a 5 megapixel sensor and graphics accelerator for VGA video capture.
Car makers design platforms with a lifetime of up to 10 years. Imagine if they changed them every 6 months!!
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Posted: 2006-12-18 18:06:58
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@jcomms,
I agree with you about hardware having a long shelf life, but remember as I stated, I was referring to phone "years". The problem is that consumers demand new and improved every few months. I was reading in an article where Nokia has a goal to release new product lines at least every six months. You made a great point about the underlying core, i.e. software, maybe the hardware to an extent. Retooling a factory to reproduce new designs would be costly and in the end consumers would suffer. So, what they do it introduce a model. Let it sell for 6 months, give out upgrades for firmware and then they move on. This is the entire point of my original post regarding this. In phone "years" (if I can use this term), the k800i is old. It was an industry leader, but now it is beyond SE's life cycle, and probably marketing cycle. I do not see as many ads for it as before. With this being said, SE will most likely not devote more time and energy into updating software, or utilize additional resources on a phone that has reached its shelf-life. If you will, compare how much the k800i costs now as to how much it was when it first came out.
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Posted: 2006-12-18 18:54:15
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The K800i might not be on the TV commercials, but they're promoting it through the retail network which means it's being pushed in store. Lots of deals, the silver 'Bond' edition etc.
The W850i is another K800i platform phone, and that is being pushed heavily (along with the whole Walkman family). As a magazine, we're told in advance of ad campaigns. The K800i was around the WTA tournament, and straight after SE launched its new brand identity and Walkman campaign. Rest assured, it will die down a bit in January and then they'll be pushing something else. Advertising doesn't necessarily reflect product development of course!
I still have to say you are wrong about the K800i being old. As a phone perhaps it is looking dated to you and me, but not the underlying hardware which is in its infancy or to customers who are in an 18 month contract and looking to upgrade from a K750 or Nokia N70 etc.
Nokia will churn out phones every month, but they don't build a whole new platform for it (if they did, they would make no money on the kit they sell). The N95 is quite different, with a brand new battery being used at the same time. Most Nokia handsets (and SE for that matter) share things like batteries and screens to enable bulk purchasing. Look at when Nokia had its absolutely AWFUL 128x128 pixel 4,096 colour screen that was installed in every phone for about two years!
One of my favourite SE phones is the W810i for size and usability, and the K800i still takes better pictures than anything on sale today bar the 5 megapixel LG (which is a crap phone and was sold in limited numbers for about a month). Even the 5 megapixel N95 doesn't take indoor/nighttime photos as good as the 3.2 megapixel K800i because the sensor is too small (thus over amplified noise) and the flash is too weak.
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Posted: 2006-12-18 22:30:17
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back on topic people...
has anyone got thei new R1G firmware???
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Posted: 2006-12-19 00:39:48
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I installed R1EG001 from Wotanserver about 4 hours ago and I've lost the Play Now icon.
Didn't put a tick in the box to select for the Wotan client to disable it either.
Have tried to reinstall R1EG001 from Wotan and made sure that the Disable Play Now is not selected but the Play Now feature hasn't reappeared.
Have contacted Wotan but can't get any reply at all
Now my menu looks like that of a branded handset and I'm not happy at all
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Posted: 2006-12-19 01:11:09
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