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On 2008-07-15 12:22:12, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
Just curious if as most of you believe that HTC is just building the X1 for SE how come it is know running a HTC propriety app such as Touch Flo? Doesn't that suggest or even confirm that HTC's involvement is in fact much more than just building it for SE and SE have done all the software for it?
Any thoughts on this latest bit of news?
@Dogmann, here's some ideas:
--TouchFlo is a WM app and X1 is a WM device that also meets the hardware requirements to run TouchFlo.
--Does the TouchPro run X-Panels? That's what I want to know.
--Certainly HTC wouldn't make a device that creates a bigger splash in the marketplace than it's own competing product (TouchPro).
--It's an SE, get over it.
What's the big deal if HTC manufactures it or provides the hardware platform? That saves R&D time for SE.
@Everyone
What device is more appealing to you? The X1 or the TouchPro.
(Please don't add to the choices
)
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Posted: 2008-07-15 14:15:01
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Logic that TOuchFlo is a WM s/w and X1 is a wm phone therefore is bundled with it is definatley flawed, I dont see Etens, Toshiba or Samsungs coming with TouchFlo. TouchFLo is HTC proprietary software. And it must be included in the original deal with SE, like I always said SE design+panels+other additional stuff(with help for HTC of course)
Once the touchpanels can be ripped from the X1 it can be run on any device with sufficent hardware, including the Pro, if touchflo 3D is ripped that can run on the X1 as well.
The TouchFLo you see in the X1 file system is nothing but the kinetic scrolling features as well as the enlarge start menu and task bar and other additional tiny bits to make it more finger friendly, not the 3D interface on the Diamond and Pro. Thats what the panels are there for.
X1 and Pro are niche products, they wont sell in large numbers, HTC will be making a decent profit on the X1 and as long as the profits are pouring in they wont care wheather the X1 is selling or the Pro is selling, they get their money either way. Actually they'd get more as now they;ve got SE fans such as yourself buying the X1 who would never have considered a HTC product otherwise.
Yes it is an SE and a good effort at that, the end user does'nt care who did the h/w or s/w on the phone, its the badge that matters
, BUT the X1 is not SE engineering but HTC engineering, bottom line it does'nt matter as long as the end product is good.
X1 vs Pro
After playing with the Diamond I'll go
X1 as the Diamond felt a bit plasticky, plus I fell in love with the Diamond screen, my TyTn II looks like something out of the stone age when compared to it
, and the X1 should be even better. But will reserve my judgement till I actually see both. Hell I might even just go and buy an iPhone which is really tempting at the moment.
Regards,
Akshay
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Posted: 2008-07-15 14:40:00
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This is a great article - thank you for writing it!
This post is pretty nice!
I'd support you 100%!!!
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Posted: 2008-07-15 14:53:33
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Hasn't it long ago been established that the X1 is based on an HTC hardware platform? I don't remember anyone stating otherwise. What is the point of bringing it up constantly, though--to discredit the obviously great SE design of the X1?
Yes, HTC is the
ODM of the SE X1 mobo. Big deal, what's new?
Bottom line, the X1 is the better phone, as of now, and it's not an HTC design 
HTC is simply just work for hire.
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Posted: 2008-07-15 15:26:47
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HTC Design + s/w solutions it looks like now does'nt it.
THe X1 is
not better than the Pro and the Pro is
not better than the X1. One has what the other lacks and vice cersa. Its whats more important to you in the end and what suits your needs. Lets jsut hope both of them release within the next month
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Posted: 2008-07-15 15:35:03
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Rumours are x1 is goin to be out in 1st week of august.
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Posted: 2008-07-15 16:03:16
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On 2008-07-15 14:40:00, aksd wrote:
BUT the X1 is not SE engineering but HTC engineering, bottom line it does'nt matter as long as the end product is good.
Wouldn't be supprised if HTC uses a platform provided by EMP for X1, in which case this phone is not much more different than any other SE phone (the release below is from 2003, but HTC is still an EMP customer).
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]releases/20030618-908277.shtml
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-07-15 15:16 ]
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Posted: 2008-07-15 16:07:00
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On 2008-07-15 15:35:03, aksd wrote:
HTC Design + s/w solutions it looks like now does'nt it.
HTC mobo design. SE software, SE sexiness and styling, SE support, SE name.
THe X1 is not better than the Pro and the Pro is not better than the X1. One has what the other lacks and vice versa.
I bet few will agree with you. TouchPro is nice but is no X1. It seems as if the SE software is going to coexist with the other WM software better (X-panels w/2-press access) as opposed to TouchFlo 3D which locks you into it's own world while it's running. I bet the X1 runs alot smoother too. The metal design of the X1 is alot more appealing as well as the optical pad. I think I like the better ergonomics of the X1 keyboard also (for better texting). Let's not forget the highres screen. The jury is still out on the accelerometer and TV out capability.
So what if they both use the same mobo/chipset? That alone really means nothing.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-07-15 19:46 ]
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Posted: 2008-07-15 16:07:03
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On 2008-07-15 16:07:00, Arne Anka wrote:
On 2008-07-15 14:40:00, aksd wrote:
BUT the X1 is not SE engineering but HTC engineering, bottom line it does'nt matter as long as the end product is good.
Wouldn't be supprised if HTC uses a platform provided by EMP for X1, in which case this phone is not much more different than any other SE phone (note that the date is from 2003).
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]releases/20030618-908277.shtml
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-07-15 15:12 ]
Great find Arne Anka! That article is dated 2003.......So the HTCs are really Ericssons???????? I would love to see the technical details of that partnership.
@aksd and @Dogmann:
Let's hear the excuses now
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Posted: 2008-07-15 16:17:13
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No HTC was made at a SE plant, Ericsson != SE
. Like you said 1 chipset does'nt mean a thing
. The whole thing was designed
You have a point at the Panles being better than TouchFLo because of the modability, but we need to wait and see though.
It wont be smoother as HTC have handled the WM solutions bit as we have seen and the driver used on the X1 will be identical to that on the Pro.
THe Pro keyboard seems better for texting especially withthe independant numerical row, i find that much easier to type with but thats just me. No TV out afaik.
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Posted: 2008-07-15 16:34:44
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