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goldenface Posts: > 500

I'm hoping the imaging quality of the C902 is at least a slight improvement on the K850i, there has to be some progress after all, although I'm not expecting it to be mind-blowing from such a thin case.

RE, the metal thing on the back of the C702, I assumed it was there just to assist in opening the battery cover. With it being splash and dust resistant I would expect it to be quite a tight fit.
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Posted: 2008-02-24 23:51:50
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jmcomms Posts: > 500

I'm still amazed managed to incorporate Face Detection, Autofocus, Photoflash, BestPic...


The only thing that worries me is that they've included lots of clever software features to distract people from the fact that the sensor is weak.

The K850i images aren't great (fine at 50% when resized, but at 100% they can't compete with ANY competition, whether a digital camera or another cameraphone). The C902 is the same, possibly worse, although we will have to use the usual "It's only prototype" disclaimer until the final model ships.

The thing is, I've yet to see a phone - from any manufacturer - that improves on things that are fundamentally down to hardware from prototype to final (and by this I mean the protos they show the press or public). Software and firmware can be fixed, but you can only attempt to improve these photos by filtering and other image processing that can never beat an image that is good in the first place!

Don't get me wrong; this phone will do extremely well - especially as the images are perfectly sufficient for what they'll be mostly used for; viewing on a PC (or TV) or uploading to Facebook and the like.

I believe a greatly enhanced cameraphone, with optical zoom and a proper sensor, will be released in due course. Personally, I think the larger form factor of the K850i lends itself better to photography than something very thin. When you hold the C902 in your hand, you'll know what I mean (it feels like it's going to slip out of your fingers!).

I think SE needs to give people the choice, as some people will obviously find the small size more important and accept the compromises.

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[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2008-02-25 00:09 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-25 01:03:07
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clauf Posts: > 500


On 2008-02-25 01:03:07, jmcomms wrote:
I'm still amazed managed to incorporate Face Detection, Autofocus, Photoflash, BestPic...


The only thing that worries me is that they've included lots of clever software features to distract people from the fact that the sensor is weak.

[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2008-02-25 00:09 ]


That's called clever marketing. Of course, for more knowledgeable users like yourself, you would be able to see through this marketing scheme. But for the average user, this "feature" is amazing and would probably get them to buy the phone.
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Posted: 2008-02-25 01:16:59
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thecell Posts: 107

i feel a bit disappointed why high end cyber-shot like c902 cannot record video on vga resolution.


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Posted: 2008-02-25 04:49:46
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sunils120 Posts: 480

i have one small doubt:
why haven't they incorporated a xenon flash for a high end model like c902 instead preferred a photo light flash?
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Posted: 2008-02-25 07:11:11
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clauf Posts: > 500


On 2008-02-25 07:11:11, sunils120 wrote:
i have one small doubt:
why haven't they incorporated a xenon flash for a high end model like c902 instead preferred a photo light flash?



Xenon flash takes a long time to recharge, cannot be used during recording of videos, uses a lot of battery, and it's much smaller.

Sony Ericsson claims Photo flash as the next technology. It's currently used on the SO905CS.
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Posted: 2008-02-25 08:30:20
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number1 Posts: > 500

the camera on the c702 will never out perform the k800i's camera the c702 has a smaller focal length, the photos won't get much better from the prototype ,se will probley add some strong noise reduction to the firmware to remove the noise.
the camera on the c902 will never out perform the k850i again it has a smaller focal length and if you look at the pics from the prototype you can see there heavly post-processed to remove noise so nearly all the details are lost like the n95 it looks more like vga than 5mp. the reason the xenon flash was scrapped is because se would never fit it a phone that slim the xenon needs alot of space thats why the k800 & k850 are bricks.

[ This Message was edited by: number1 on 2008-02-25 10:26 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-25 11:23:01
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goldenface Posts: > 500

The K800i is a great phone, takes great pictures and does a lot more besides.

I don't think any cameraphone pics, when examined close up, are perfect. Its only to be expected. But when resized there can be great results.

I think the extra C902 features like the screen shortcuts and face recognition etc, make a difference too.
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Posted: 2008-02-25 12:07:53
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Paul in LA Posts: 138


On 2008-02-25 11:23:01, number1 wrote:
the camera on the c702 will never out perform the k800i's camera

[ This Message was edited by: number1 on 2008-02-25 10:26 ]
I think that's yet to be seen.
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Posted: 2008-02-25 17:55:14
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sadeghi85 Posts: 341



C702 pic quality is good enough IMO, but i expected more from a 'Cyber-Shot' branded phone.

one important thing (for me) is that C702 has the ability to accept post processing.

[ This Message was edited by: sadeghi85 on 2008-02-25 18:12 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-25 18:57:11
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