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What scares me is the lack of basic functionality like inability to transfer files via bluetooth and no copy and paste(use that quite a bit)

ANyway I still have time to decide.

I hope the X1 is a success as well, technology will move forward only when there is competition in the market. But looking at all the information available to us at the moment, its not going to have 1 million people queing up to buy it when it launches . Lets just hope it does what it was intended to do, give SE that much needed monetary boost and get the ball rolling for 2009-2010.
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Posted: 2008-07-30 08:43:59
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I just don't understand why you're imagining either of those is true. This is a WM6.1 phone we're talking about, sure it's got a nice screen and a lick of paint in the form of the Panels, but at the end of the day it's not in the least bit "unique", and it's not in any way similar to the Iphone either, it's just a good WM phone, to go in the pile with the Omni, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro, and whatever else is waiting in the wings.

Seriously, if you want a good WM phone then by all means buy the X1, but if you're after something "more" than that then I've a feeling you're going to end up bitterly disappointed. If it's an Iphone you're really after, then buy an Iphone, it's the best at what it does.

For me, the X1 adds absolutely nothing to the Tytn II already in my pocket (I'm in the same position as Askd). I'm seriously considering the Iphone simply for the user experience; if I was happy with another Qualcomm powered WM phone I'd probably stick with what I've got.
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Posted: 2008-07-30 10:03:38
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how does the samsung i900 fair in the benchmarking tests?
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Posted: 2008-07-30 12:08:00
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@WhyBe

There just isn't an all in one ultimate convergence device well not yet and i for one doubt there ever will be. The X1, Touch Pro etc etc are all primarily Business smart phones with some Multimedia abilities.

The closest any manufacturer has come to an all in one convergence device is Nokia with the E90 which is due to the OMAP 2420 processor and PowerVR MBX graphics chip of course along with it's 4" 800x 352 16 million colour screen. But the UI for both Music and Video is not as nice as in the N series neither is the Music player as loud as found in the N series. But then again first and foremost it's a Business device.

You keep on saying the Video's you have seen on the X1 looks good and the short clips do, but there is no way from just looking at them that you can tell if they are 30fps H.264 or not. Especially when you are watching a compressed for the Web video on a site. Maybe you misunderstand the increase in quality from H.263 to H.264 as really it's not that large when watching on a mobile device it's more to do with the file size and how smoothly it plays plus of course it's one more heavily used codec that it supports. But then on the E90 and even the X1 Video will need to recoded to fit the custom screen size. Both of those how ever are much better than 3gp quality is.

The E71 couldn't play over 15fps H.264 video and at this frame rate it was choppy but it played H.263 @23fps perfectly and on it's smaller 2.36" screen it was good. With no artifacts or stutter but it meant larger file sizes and is down to the processor and lack of graphic processing power. I would guess the Video on the X1 is in H.263 and the quality will be good in this format. But like the E71 i seriously doubt it will play H.264 @23-30fps smoothly as it just doesn't having the ability to do so not many devices do. As they need a powerful graphics processor to be able to handle it such as the PowerVR MBX, the real question is does the X1 really need to for most users? and i'd guess not. Again it doesn't make the X1 bad or rubbish it just means it's not the best as you like t claim it will be.

I really think a lot of your misunderstandings and perceived hate for the X1 are due to your failure to grasp basic concepts. As i really don't think anyone really hates the X1 or even thinks it will be bad or rubbish, those that disagree with you just don't see it as being revolutionary. As said by others and myself it may be as good or even slightly better than current WM but it doesn't really advance much on what we already have or is being released. It's Multimedia due to it's processor limitations will be average to good at best it won't and can't be brilliant or even class leading.

This is where you myself and others disagree as you see the X1 as just being brilliant in all it does and just so much better than anything else out there. Which is very different form it being a good device as most of us think it maybe and it doesn't mean we hate it just that are expectations are more realistic based on the hardware limitations it has. From our expectations we may be surprised at what it delivers form yours you are likely to be disappointed as it just can't live up to your expectations.

Also where someone says to little to late they are not saying it is late on being released from when it was meant to be. It is to late to be anything special in the market if SE had announced and released it within 3 months they would have had it first and led the market. Now by the time it arrives it is just not so amazing as others have devices already out there and newer better devices coming to soon. You see yet again you misunderstand what someone means and see it as a direct attack on SE and the X1 when it is just a comment on the market place. Eight to nine months in Mobiles is a very long time and to much happens to dilute an announced product by then.


Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-07-30 13:02 ]
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Posted: 2008-07-30 13:53:37
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It might not even run the benchmarking software as the software is used to test OpenGL on the phone. The i900 does'nt claim to have any 3D hardware acceleration. BUT the video playback is superior on the i900 as the intel processor supports video decoding upto DI @ 30fps. Although if you read reviews they mention the Diamond was better with Coreplayer, this is because coreplayer has not implemented support for the Monahans platform which the i900 is based on, but future versions will support it. The default player though will playback VGA@30fps H.264 flawlessly, theoretically even better than the OMAP2420 but I'm not so sure practically, and would not claim that is better without checking it out personally otherwise I'd end up with my foot in my mouth like awhile ago, right Dogmann?
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Posted: 2008-07-30 14:49:06
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You know that the iPhone has a 2mpx cam?!? And no "out-of-the-box" video recording?

A friend of mine just got the new iPhone.. He tells me that the battery is quite bad.. He work as a car salesman, and to make the battery last for the 8 hours he's at work, he has to disable 80% of the functions... He's actually putting it for sale now, and will be using his old P1 (with 's great battery lifetime) until there's a better phone on the market...
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Posted: 2008-07-30 17:06:45
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This is definitely 30fps. I can't tell whether it's h.264 or not, but I will take the posters word for it.

Everyone has their own concept of ultimate device. Mine, for the time being, is the X1. Of course, it will be replaced by something I find to be better within a year, but for now, it is the one. Of course, everyone doesn't see it that way. Many people see their iPhone as the ultimate device and you couldn't tell them otherwise. But I base my opinion on the "total package" (iPhone's strength). Any particular spec may be bettered by another device, but overall, my ultimate device has the best aggregation of specs, user experience, size and sexiness. To others, sexiness and size are meaningless. To some, whether video is 24fps or 30fps or h.263 is irrelevant. I think I'm stating the obvious here.

As far as specs go, I feel X1 is tops right now. Yes, there are various devices with faster procs or more memory or more colors or faster/smoother UI, but, they usually cut back in another area I find important. So this is what I mean by X1 having the best aggregation of specs. No device can have the ultimate in everything AND be small and sexy too! (If so, I'm getting in line for one right now ). Therefore, I have to pick the device with the best "average". For me it's...you guessed it . TouchPro is running a close 2nd...sort of like Joe Frasier to Muhammad Ali. As far as aggregation of specs, these two are tops. For me, e90 is disqualified because it is big and no touchscreen. iPhone has a great UI but too much other stuff falls short. TouchPro falls short in some specs and I'm not too keen on TouchFlo 3D (as I stated several posts back).

Yes, I'll admit that X1 would have kicked much more @ss had it been out earlier, but, if we have to wait until Sep-Nov for it to be a greater device than what it would have been if it were released in March, then I'm all for the wait. Besides, none of it's similarly spec'd competitors are released yet either.

So no, I don't have this blind allegiance to the X1, I'm aware that it is just another device in the cycle of obsolence we all live through. But you have to stop and enjoy the moment and not worry about what's coming 6 months from now. If SE can deliver on most of their promises, then I'll be happy for that time period.
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Posted: 2008-07-30 17:09:36
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@WhyBe

How can you possibly say that is 30Fpfs? just how do you reach that conclusion? Also it doesn't seem all that smooth to me and just for your information most films are recorded @23-24fps not 30fps. All my Films and TV shows that i encode for my E90 are done @23fps H.264 800x352 and that plays Full Screen in Real Player.

Lets just wait and see what happens when the X1 arrives and see how your encoded material plays on it and just reserve judgment until then shall we?

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-07-30 16:31 ]
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Posted: 2008-07-30 17:31:28
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Yes I know, but the 2Mpx, but the UI I guess compensates for that. I was referring to my choice of the Omnia over the X1. THe non removable battery is another issue, I like I having spare batteries for my phones.
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Posted: 2008-07-30 17:47:38
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Something must be wrong with you if a 24fps video isn't smooth to you, considering your eyes can't see more than 24 fps... Having said so, I didn't check the video myself, just felt like dropping that note.
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Posted: 2008-07-30 18:03:57
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