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@ Scots
Those cartoons were intentional!!! They were posted by some arsehole with the intent on bringing disrepute toward Islam!
He rejected the christian pictures...
He knew it would create a rebellion, like my earlier post showed no one wanted to draw the pics coz they knew the reaction would not be sweet!!
9/12 cartoons were blantanly attacking Islam!!!!
He then defended himself and said it was freedom of speech!!!
The protesters freedom of speech was to burn the embassies!!!
I too dont like the danes anymore!
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Posted: 2006-02-08 09:19:41
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i think
"shit happens"
this world will not live in harmony, so what is the point in getting all beat up over it?
@ Muslims. you feel that the cartoons are making a mockery of your religion?
you could say the same about the book "the Da vinvi code" that rips apart Christianity, but you dont see Christians having a full scale argument about it do you?
People can and will say/do what they want when then want, it is not within anyones power to stop that.
So can we please just drop the whole religious divide?
after all "one mans terrorist is an other mans freedom fighter"
fatreg
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Posted: 2006-02-08 09:26:02
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http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/758
“The imams should stop critizising the cartoons and instead critizise the terrorists that cut the throats of innocent hostages in the name of Allah and therefore abuse Islam. But on such occasions we never hear a word from them. Hence, they are hypocrites.”
Most sensible thing said on this debate!
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Posted: 2006-02-08 09:38:39
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On 2006-02-08 09:38:39, SCORPIONKING1982 wrote:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/758
“The imams should stop critizising the cartoons and instead critizise the terrorists that cut the throats of innocent hostages in the name of Allah and therefore abuse Islam. But on such occasions we never hear a word from them. Hence, they are hypocrites.”
Most sensible thing said on this debate!
Remind me of the last ime you heard a Rabbi condemning the Israeli murder of innocent civilians in one of their so-called "targeted assassinations".
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Posted: 2006-02-08 09:59:39
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On 2006-02-08 09:19:41, 786KBR wrote:
@ Scots
Those cartoons were intentional!!!
So you keep saying and yet you still have not provided any proof to show that the Danish newspaper was deliberately trying to attack Islam.
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They were posted by some arsehole with the intent on bringing disrepute toward Islam!
Language please! The cartoons were printed as part of a debate on censorship in Denmark resulting from the case of an author who could not find an illustrator for a book he was writing because people were too scared of the reaction from the Muslim community if illustration of the Prophet were used in the book.
That sort of debate is perfectly legitimate and the cartoons were published within the context of that debate. They were not published as a deliberate (let alone a sustained) attempt to attack Islam. Were the cartoons offensive to Muslims? Yes. Was the paper wrong to ask questions of and debate religion? No.
The cartoons may have been offensive and the debate could perhaps have been handled in a better way, but there is no evidence to support a claim that the newspaper is anti-Islamic or was trying to attack Muslims.
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He rejected the christian pictures...
He knew it would create a rebellion, like my earlier post showed no one wanted to draw the pics coz they knew the reaction would not be sweet!!
From what I have read of this the Jesus cartoons were unsolicited, they were not asked for and were not being put forward as part of a feature the newspaper was running. The cartoons of the Prophet were commissioned by the newspaper as part of a debate, hence their publiction.
If the newspaper didn't feel that the cartoons of Jesus were appropriate then that is up to them; they are exercising their right to publish what they like. Do we know anything about the Jesus cartoons? Were they in fact funny? Were they of a good enough quality to include in the newspaper? Was there a good reason to publish them? Did they make a legitimate point that would have justified their allegedly offensive content?
Just because a newspaper publishes a satarisation of one religion does not mean that it has to publish a satarisation of all religions. Satarisation for the sake of it tends to loose it's power to convey a message; there needs to be a reason for the satire. In this context the reason was that the newspaper was holding a debate on Islam and censorship.
It is also worth noting that Denmark is a very open society and that Jesus and other respect figures, including the Danish Queen, have been portrayed in ways that some might find insulting by Danes over the years. The editor of the Danish newspaper has also said that he is sure that his newspaper had printed carictures of Jesus previously although he didn't recall any specific examples.
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9/12 cartoons were blantanly attacking Islam!!!!
How? Were the cartoons part of a feature denouncing Islam or part of a feature debating Islam? Were the cartoons presented as propoganda or as part of a discussion on a legitimate topic? You might find the cartoons offensive, but that does not mean to say that they were an attack on Islam. The intent is important here. If were to bump into you and knock you over causing you to hurt your leg, that is different to me deliberately knocking you over and you hurting your leg. Both scenarios have the same outcome, but are completely different in intent.
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He then defended himself and said it was freedom of speech!!!
The protesters freedom of speech was to burn the embassies!!!
So you are saying that the violence if acceptable? Would it be ok if Westerners burned down embassies from Islamic countries when Islamic extremists killed a Westerner? What if Westerners boycotted Islamic countries' goods and services over such killings? What if Westerners stood in the streets and burned the flags of Islamic countries or called for Islamic leaders to be killed?
What you see instead is Westerners not blaming all Muslims for the actions of individuals. Western countries continue to send aid to Islamic countries and Westerners continue to risk their lives in various Islamic countries to help the people there. There are no boycotts, no burning embassies and no flag burning.
The West is certainly not perfect, but the reaction of many in the Islamic world is deplorable. The current violence is unjustifiable except by those who wish to spread hatred and fear.
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I too dont like the danes anymore!
I doubt many Danes will crying themselves to sleep over that.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-02-08 09:15 ]
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Posted: 2006-02-08 10:15:21
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@absin
Not that I wish to derail this thread, but see
this and
this.
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Posted: 2006-02-08 10:33:44
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On 2006-02-08 09:38:39, SCORPIONKING1982 wrote:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/758
“The imams should stop critizising the cartoons and instead critizise the terrorists that cut the throats of innocent hostages in the name of Allah and therefore abuse Islam. But on such occasions we never hear a word from them. Hence, they are hypocrites.”
Most sensible thing said on this debate!
Remind me of the last ime you heard a Rabbi condemning the Israeli murder of innocent civilians in one of their so-called "targeted assassinations".
That is an attack in the name of the state, not the religion. Terrorist claim to represet their religion not a particular country. If muslims are so incensed by the misrepresentation of their religion then why not deal with the people that are really behind the current bad image of islam, the terrorists.
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Posted: 2006-02-08 10:39:39
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@ Scots
And you only had to search back 5 years to find those articles!
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Posted: 2006-02-08 10:42:20
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Do we know anything about the Jesus cartoons? Were they in fact funny?
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-02-08 09:15 ]
I dont know! U think the Islamophobic pics were funny??
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Posted: 2006-02-08 10:57:23
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HAHAHA!!! U can see Im one sided!!
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Posted: 2006-02-08 11:16:40
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