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On 2007-05-29 09:38:18, goldenface wrote:
On 2007-05-28 03:49:29, max_wedge wrote:
It always seems that Nokia supporters argue that HSDPA and GPS are high-end requirements, yet they see the touch screen as a non-issue. Herein they reveal the flaw in the argument that Nokia more accurately fulfill high end requirements than SE - because they are judging "high end" only on what their own preference is in a high end phone. I (and many other phone users) consider a touchscreen as an explicit requirement of a high end phone, so from my perspective, Nokia have NO high end phones at all.
The simplicity of your reasoning just made me laugh out loud.
Great stuff!
No doubt when VGA 15-30fps recording appears in SE phones we will all be cooing here on Esato.
Wifi, gps are already in SE phones - just non - western ones.
I suspect contributors to this thread have their own idea of what a 'Good Phone' is.
A good phone to me is one that raised the bar in some way, carries out its tasks smoothly and successfully, was a great success for the company and in great demand.
The K800i was a hugely successful phone so that in my opinion is a great phone from SE.
Other people might think a great phone is simply one that packs high-end features - but get this - they have to work!. That, btw, was not a veiled attack on the N95! because it could also be applied to the P990i before now.
While Max makes a great argument, it is flawed because he is basing it on his personal opinion which naturally can not speak for the entire market. As Dogmann put it, this is an open ended debate. Some like TS, some don't. As a user of both, I find that TS are not up to par for my tastes. So in effect, SE does not make the best phones because I switched from them.
Yes, SE has wifi. 802.11
B. Enough said on that I think.
I will agree with you that the k800i was a great phone, as was the w810i. I owned them both, but for me they are kids stuff. When I want something more powerful, feature ladened, innovative, I know that SE is not up to the task.
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mib_1800 said: THe problem is we dont see exploding demand for TS (in other words, TS dont inspire sales). But a GPS/5MP/VGA@30fps video rec/HSDPA do. Nobody would doubt N95 is high end and we know demand for N95 went thru the roof because of these factors. I wouldnt be surprise if N95 outsell P1 by 10 to 1.
Sorry, but I don't see any exploding demand for either HSDPA or GPS at the moment, these are still arguably only in demand to a niche sector.
THe same was said of BT and look where that is now. HSDPA is still in the rollout phase, not the niche market phase. Operators are rolling it out as fast as they can get their networks upgraded. GPS sales are booming as well. From biz users to the average consumer. Nokia saw this and put it in their phones (2 at the moment). SE on the other hand, is late to the party again, and got scooped by Nokia.
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[ This Message was edited by: sapporobaby on 2007-05-29 10:22 ]
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Indeed QVGA, but as we agreed earlier, that means SE devices become much better value, quicker, than Nokia devices for eg, i see that to be a point in SE's favour really.
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:22:16
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On 2007-05-29 11:22:16, mweb6161 wrote:
Indeed QVGA, but as we agreed earlier, that means SE devices become much better value, quicker, than Nokia devices for eg, i see that to be a point in SE's favour really.
i was giving the reason why SE might be beginning to appeal to mass market. i can foresee how many teenagers will get their hands on a P900 at the price its selling for.
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:24:41
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On 2007-05-29 11:16:56, QVGA wrote:
Now dont tell me SE doesnt loose its value.
Name me one time when I have ever said SE doesn't lose value! Where?
Plus, whose market data am I going to believe; that of the industry analysts, who shareholders rely on to preserve their million dollar investments?
Or yours?
@sapporobaby
Well you may regard the K800i as kids stuff but still that doesn't mean it isn't a good phone.
To me each manufacturer has its own cycle of growth. SE is still growing and wants to grow, it won't do this be not concentrating on good mid-tier phones. Like Nokia it is concentrating on the lower end No big deal.
You don't regard the SO903i as a good phone?
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:28:38
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On 2007-05-29 11:28:38, goldenface wrote:
On 2007-05-29 11:16:56, QVGA wrote:
Now dont tell me SE doesnt loose its value.
Name me one time when I have ever said SE doesn't lose value! Where?
Plus, whose market data am I going to believe; that of the industry analysts, who shareholders rely on to preserve their million dollar investments?
Or yours?
i am just giving the reason why SE phones are a big seller. Apart from being "good" , price is also a major factor. And those prices i've mentioned are actually quite accurate where as you mentioned average prices and profits. Look up the prices of the phones i've mentioned and see that i am correct.
Why do you think the K750 was a big seller? Because for the most part, it was selling for 300$ or less. Sometimes i think SE doesnt do their phones justice, W950 is surely worth more than 350$ and same for P990
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:34:43
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@QVGA
Like I said before, who am I going to believe, the price indicators of one person in
one country just because he says so?
Or industry analysts with degrees and a breadth of knowledge that would simply stagger the average person?
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:41:00
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On 2007-05-29 11:28:38, goldenface wrote:
On 2007-05-29 11:16:56, QVGA wrote:
Now dont tell me SE doesnt loose its value.
Name me one time when I have ever said SE doesn't lose value! Where?
Plus, whose market data am I going to believe; that of the industry analysts, who shareholders rely on to preserve their million dollar investments?
Or yours?
@sapporobaby
Well you may regard the K800i as kids stuff but still that doesn't mean it isn't a good phone.
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-05-29 10:36 ]
I didn't say the k800i was not a good phone. It was. As I wrote, I had one, and I had the w810i which in my opinion was also a great phone. However, for the shear power of quasi-multi-tasking, they just can't match S60 or even UIQ.
Also when the SO903i hits the market (not sure it has) then it can be evaluated as being a good or great phone. Also again
, some people like Symbian OS, some don't. Personally I like to have the added flexibility that Symbian gives. My k800i didn't have this option, but it was still a great phone. Go look over at the thread in this forum still talking about it almost a year later.
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[ This Message was edited by: sapporobaby on 2007-05-29 10:47 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:43:55
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@sapporobaby
Ah, so then you would agree then that SE isn't failing to produce good phones - as the title of the thread says?
Oh I agree for the sheer power of multi tasking symbian phones are infinitely more capable.
There are plenty of arguments about how the K800i comes close to multi-tasking without actually being a smartphone - you'll find max_wedge right in the middle of them.
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On 2007-05-29 11:46:19, goldenface wrote:
@sapporobaby
Ah, so then you would agree then that SE isn't failing to produce good phones - as the title of the thread says?
Actually it was a question rather than a statement. I will say that SE has the ability to produce good phones. Sure, why not but as far as I am concerned for my particular needs, they don't anymore.
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Posted: 2007-05-29 11:48:19
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I agree that SE aren't producing good high-end phones at the moment - the kind the likes of you and I and alot of others here on Esato want, however, I wouldn't for one minute construe this to mean they are incapable of doing so.
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