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hi everyone! this is a very good discussion and if I may add, what I understand is that "ja" is a short or informal for "dewa" and "nai" is the informal form of "arimasen".
as Kuchiyose san already indicated "janai" is the short or informal form of "dewa arimasen" which is the negative for "de arimasu".
"de arimasu" or from the root "de aru" which has the same usage as the english word "be" may sound strange because it is too polite and is not commonly used. I think "de aru" belongs to the same category as "de gozaru" which is even more formal but you'll sound like an old samurai if you use that
. The more common shortened word is "desu".
In short "janai" is the informal negative form for "desu".
example:
Watashi wa blackspot desu.
negative would be:
Watashi wa blackspot janai. (or 'watashi wa blackspot janai desu' to make it less rude)
I'm not an expert, that's just how I understand it, so I'd be happy to hear corrections or confirmation.
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Posted: 2010-04-22 07:39:21
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'te iru' is the easiest for me, its '-ing' in english,
but its easy if you already know how to conjugate verbs in its te form.
miru, mite
taberu, tabete
but this one is hard but its also in its te form
asobu, asonde
yomu, yonde
matsu, matte
suru, shite
mite iru - looking
tabete iru - eating
asonde iru - playing
yonde iru - reading
matte iru - waiting
shite iru - doing
nani shiteru no?(what are you doing?) pronounced as 'nanishteru no'
i often heard it in anime.
shiteru - slurred 'shite iru'
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Posted: 2010-04-22 07:40:00
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@blackspot
arigatou gozaimasu
now i know that, what is that gozaru.
I'm being annoyed by that, there is this character of anime whom admire ninjas, she always say gozaru yo at the ending of her sentence.
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Posted: 2010-04-22 09:04:00
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I believe "gozaru" (御座る) is a respectful (old) form of "desu" (です). You are actually using it right now
"arigatou gozaimasu" -- "gozaimasu" is a conjugation of "gozaru".
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Posted: 2010-04-22 11:01:00
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oh, your right, never think of that
so the plain form is
gozaru
gozaimasu(formal)
actually i thought it was bozaru yo, it sounds like that, but when you posted gozaru, im enlightened
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Posted: 2010-04-22 11:28:00
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Te iru, te iru, janai, janai, haha, still unable to relate or cope up with these tongue twisting & mind boggling language, better to up up & away!
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Posted: 2010-04-22 11:34:01
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On 2010-04-22 11:28:00, Cyborg_a0 wrote:
oh, your right, never think of that
so the plain form is
gozaru
gozaimasu(formal)
actually i thought it was bozaru yo, it sounds like that, but when you posted gozaru, im enlightened
I also watch a lot of classic samurai and ninja movies and they use "gozaru" / "gozaimasu" a lot.
"yo" is like an expression that gives emphasis or more weight to your sentence.
example:
This is mine. -- if you just say "kore wa watashi no desu." it will convey the message but if you say "kore wa watashi no desu yo!" it will sound like you want them to listen and believe.
like when a parent tells his child to stop "yamete!" it sounds stronger with "yamete yo!".
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Posted: 2010-04-22 11:46:50
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another confusing one is why they are adding N in the verb
Nani itte-n da yo?
(what are you talking about?)
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Posted: 2010-04-22 11:57:00
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I hear that a lot too, like in "hontou ni ii n' desu ka?"
I believe the n is short for "no" so it supposed to be "hontou ni ii no desu ka?" (but i may be wrong).
I don't really know what it means but in my understanding, in a casual conversation the adding of the "no" or "n" adds a sense of reassurance or confirmation to the topic.
example:
A: "ii desu ka?" -- is it ok?
B: "hai, ii desu." -- yes, it's ok.
A: "hontou ni ii n' desu ka?" -- really? are you sure? (or something like that)
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Posted: 2010-04-22 17:12:48
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but the female speech(don't know if it can also be use by boys) of that is
Nani itten no
/
Nani itten yo
so it couldn't be,
'nani itte no no' the sentence is now wrong.
[ This Message was edited by: Cyborg_a0 on 2010-04-23 01:20 ]
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Posted: 2010-04-23 00:48:00
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