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On 2014-03-24 19:21:53, Smaug wrote:I side with Ricky D regarding the definition of a flagship. True, Wintermute, the term didn't exist a few years ago. If we look to history, flagships referred to a single commanding vessel in a naval fleet. It wasn't necessarily the largest or even the newest. In business, it is generally regarded as the most prominent or expensive product. For Sony: the XZ2.
Actually, if you want to go by the original definition, the "flagship" was whatever ship carried the admiral, the flag officer.
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Posted: 2014-03-25 06:27:26
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Posted: 2014-03-25 06:40:16
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@Xajel
interesting.
i think that it's too early to judge sony since they just return back with the z. i think that more people start to like sony phones again especially with the Z2, but it will be a very slow progress. up to a few years ago every third person i saw in the street carried SE phone. now it's a rare thing. half got iphone and the other half got galaxy. no wonder. the products are decent and samsung is marketing their phones everywhere here. apple marketing is not strong here but it seems that they don't need any marketing - apple name was always related with high quality products here. sony only market their flagships here once a year in tv commercial. the rest of the marketing is mainly done online on facebook, etc. it's very small market here for sony to invest in more but it shows the dominance of samsung and apple.
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Posted: 2014-03-25 09:05:52
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Is there any release date/timeframe for z ultra successor? Will this timeframe blend in nicely w snapdragon 805 release? I think it would be awesome if so...
If its true that xperia will never see a dedicated audio chip then I think thats a bit sad...because of dwindling Walkman sales, I would have thought this was a no brainer...
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Posted: 2014-03-25 15:01:36
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When exactly is the Z2 going to be launched? And when are the review embargoes going to be lifted....?
I have heard about potential delays due to manufacturing issues, but if they don't get the Z2 out there and lift the embargoes, the HTC could end up consuming sales.
Once the GS5 comes out, nobody really stands a chance, so HTC's lead in mindshare, will put the Z2 at a disadvantage....I'm pretty sure the only reason the original Z did so well, was because it came out weeks before the GS4 and the One (M7)......
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Posted: 2014-03-26 08:42:59
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What I don't understand is the fact that Sony makes some incredible, very competitive phones now. Yet, they still don't seem to be selling in numbers anywhere near to Samsung's. From the Z onward, Sony's handsets have been praised for being up-to-par and even better than some of the competition (despite having certain minor flaws as all handsets will have). So why don't phones like the Z1, ZR, SP, M, L etc sell a few million each? And why don't the US operators pick up many of these exceptional handsets, because they sell lots of mid-range phones too?
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Posted: 2014-03-26 17:03:45
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Simple answer is marketing.
I shouldn't have to explain why, it's more or less common sense.
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Posted: 2014-03-26 17:57:27
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^Yep. And I think the only Sony phone that is on par with the other flagships is the Z2. Z and Z1 were still behind the competition.
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Posted: 2014-03-26 18:05:31
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On 2014-03-26 18:05:31, itsjustJOH wrote:
^Yep. And I think the only Sony phone that is on par with the other flagships is the Z2. Z and Z1 were still behind the competition.
With Z1 itself Sony was ahead of competition. Except of a screen that was inferior in terms of viewing angles, Z1 was simply miles ahead than competition in everything !
And Z2 is on par with competition ? ROFL !!!
There is not even a single device in market that can stand up to Xperia Z2 .
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Posted: 2014-03-27 05:15:17
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On 2014-03-26 17:03:45, FMW300 wrote:
What I don't understand is the fact that Sony makes some incredible, very competitive phones now. Yet, they still don't seem to be selling in numbers anywhere near to Samsung's. From the Z onward, Sony's handsets have been praised for being up-to-par and even better than some of the competition (despite having certain minor flaws as all handsets will have). So why don't phones like the Z1, ZR, SP, M, L etc sell a few million each? And why don't the US operators pick up many of these exceptional handsets, because they sell lots of mid-range phones too?
Besides marketing, a great deal of it, I think, is inertia. What I mean is that many industries, especially those with high barriers to entry, tend to end up revolving around two or three main players. The introduction of the original iPhone in 2007 essentially invented the smartphone market. It was the only product of its type, and so there was still room for an alternative. Fast forward 3 or 4 years later, and Android had become a pretty credible alternative to iOS and was widely used. Hence there was just no more room in the market for an "unneeded" third option, and Windows Phone 7, even though it was more or less as good as the other two (except in terms of apps), floundered. Fast forward another year or so, and Samsung had broken out of the Android pack and essentially put down its competitors. Now, for the most part, people either use iOS or Android. They either use Apple or Samsung. They are entrenched, and when people upgrade, they stay with the same brand.
What I'm saying is that at the beginning of the "musical chairs" round, there were two seats open, and they were grabbed early by Apple and Samsung, before anyone else even noticed the music was playing. At this point, it doesn't matter if another product is better--there are just no more seats left. Of course it is possible to grab market share from competitors, but it will be much more difficult for Sony now than it would have been 4 or 5 years ago.
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Posted: 2014-03-27 05:55:16
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