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Xajel Posts: > 500

@CrownedAkuma

Any more pics of this glory ?
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Posted: 2014-03-30 08:21:37
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CrownedAkuma Posts: > 500


On 2014-03-30 08:21:37, Xajel wrote:
@CrownedAkuma

Any more pics of this glory ?


I found them on the link posted by ascariss! :3











Pure Perfection
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Posted: 2014-03-30 09:25:13
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ascariss Posts: > 500

So idea, perhaps randomuser or anyone else knows this.

What are the chances the new sensor in the Z3 will have phase detection? Or a hybrid autofocus system using phase detection and contrast detection? If anything, at least phase detection would be nice.

Also no dedicated amp for walkman fine, I've come to terms with this, but what about a dedicated bionz chip for photo processing? Maybe down the road? Z4/Z5?
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Posted: 2014-03-30 23:58:30
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Smaug Posts: 48


On 2014-03-30 23:58:30, ascariss wrote:

What are the chances the new sensor in the Z3 will have phase detection? Or a hybrid autofocus system using phase detection and contrast detection? If anything, at least phase detection would be nice.

Also no dedicated amp for walkman fine, I've come to terms with this, but what about a dedicated bionz chip for photo processing? Maybe down the road? Z4/Z5?


I'd fall off the back of my chair if the Z3 had a phase/contrast hybrid AF system. Only Sony's mid and high end cameras carry that tech. Not even the new Alpha A5000 has a hybrid AF, and that is a dedicated mirrorless APS-C camera that costs £400.

Ramu may have a clearer picture (ahem), but a modified BIONZ processor MAY be a more probable contender for future Xperias. Perhaps labelled "BIONZ for Mobile", IF implemented it would require more than just uplifting the current BIONZ-X chip from Sony's Alpha range. The standard BX chip is too large to fit in a super-slim XZ, if Sony continues down the path of "thinness rules".

There would also be issues with heat dissipation, especially during video recording. 4K video recording with every frame processed by a BIONZ chip in a water-sealed device? You'd run the risk of it melting after ~10 min. Sadly everything has a tradeoff: IP58 = big bezels, 4k screen = battery etc...

From Sony's A7R:


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Posted: 2014-03-31 01:09:35
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randomuser Posts: > 500

No phase detecton/ no dedicated Bionz AFAIK


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Posted: 2014-03-31 05:25:50
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ascariss Posts: > 500

Ok so perhaps hybrid focus was a bit too much, but phase detection would be possible if Sony tried, the S5 has it. one can dream.
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Posted: 2014-03-31 06:54:31
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Xajel Posts: > 500

@CrownedAkuma

Thanks very much, I was in a hurry and didn't read every post before I saw that pic

And thanks @ascariss for the link

BTW, BIONZ isn't designed for mobile, it consume a lot of power, the processing it self is not optimised for power but for higher quality and picture perfect ( and cost also ), they can optimise it for power but it won't be that much because of how much it process the data... so in order to make it for mobile, they will need to reduce the processing, optimise for power, and reduce the overall chip size, power consumption & heat to fit the mobile... and I don't see this will come in the coming year IF they're are working on one...
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Posted: 2014-03-31 07:27:31
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Wishmaster89 Posts: 333

@ascariss
It's not like you can get phase detection and not include hybrid AF, almost all on sensor phase detection pixels work in hybrid mode using contrast detection for accuracy. Especially on such small sensors.

Phase detection is for speed but contrast for accuracy, without phase AF I fear that it would be too unreliable.

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Posted: 2014-03-31 08:26:25
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ascariss Posts: > 500

well S5 has it. So either it's just phase detection or it is hybrid AF. Meaning it is possible and cost is not an issue. Perhaps this is why Samsung is having some troubles producing the new isocell sensor?
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Posted: 2014-03-31 08:39:12
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Wishmaster89 Posts: 333

In case of S5 it is hybrid AF, not strictly phase detection (one more thing to remember, it doesn't work in low light conditions).
Why they are having problems producing their new sensor is something only Samsung knows, not convinced that phase detection pixels are to blame. More probable is that it's complex to produce and they're not as experienced as sony when it comes to camera sensors.
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Posted: 2014-03-31 08:52:07
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