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I finally took Xperia T2
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Posted: 2014-04-11 04:07:11
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On 2014-04-10 17:42:21, supercoolman wrote:
unfortunately, sony doesn't seem to be growing its PS OS for mobile, so sony will have to take it or die.
Well that's still a question! I hope they don't forget their vita OS but they're alreader late enough. Also a PS OS isn't necessarily a success unless they do EVERYTHING right. Does anybody know something on this? viveftp
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That phone looks nice. Enjoy it
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Posted: 2014-04-11 04:52:07
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On 2014-04-10 17:17:21, cu015170 wrote:
Of course they are. The more control they have the better for them..
Google is first and foremost and advertising company. 90% + of their revenue stream comes from advertising.. take a look
http://cms.searchenginewatch.[....]google-earnings-wordstream.png
That's why a lot of their services are "free" .. they subside most of their software development with money generated from advertising. Its a very elegant model.
All android is really is a ad distributing platform using their services.
They can't let other companies have control over that.. replacing their services with other ones like Amazon (kindle) and Nokia (X,XL) have done is the last thing they want, but they also know that there are a handful of companies that have the infrastructure to even attempt such a thing.
Here:
http://arstechnica.com/inform[....]d-fork-android-its-unforkable/
http://arstechnica.com/gadget[....]source-by-any-means-necessary/
The OEMs, such as Sony, are getting the short end of the stick.. most of the money from android goes to.. yes, you guessed it.. Google. That's why Samsung are investing into Tizen ...
I am not saying that Microsoft's solution is any better. It will probably be based on the same solution since they made it free.. but there is no other way to compete with G.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-04-10 16:18 ]
Yeah, I'm aware. Why you think it supports your point, I'm really not sure. For starters, Google apps such as Google Now, Gmail, Calendar, the new Google dialer, etc., all plug into Google's proprietary back-end, and this cloud-connectivity is what really gives them their power. I don't know why on earth anyone would think that Google's making these proprietary apps closed-source is in any way equivalent to "closing Android," but it does show you don't really understand the difference between Android and Google. Android is an OS. If you compile barebones AOSP, you've still got a full operating system. It might not be fancy, or full-featured by 2014 standards, but it works, and it's totally open to anyone to use, end of discussion. The cloud services, however, are Google's, not Android's. Hint: if the same apps are available on iOS, then closing that app =/= closing Android. The confusion comes from the fact that these apps are so ingrained in our day-to-day use, and are given to us by the same people who give us Android, but make no mistake: they are not the same thing, and never have been.
So no, they care nothing about "controlling Android," and this is evidenced by the fact that they DON'T control Android. This whole Google Play Services takeover is living proof of the fact that they don't control Android. What they are doing is exactly what I said above: they are securing their revenue streams against a potential "hijack" by a manufacturer who forks Android. Amazon is already doing this. They are taking Google's work (Android) and they are cutting Google totally out of the loop and plugging it into their OWN proprietary back-end. Nothing wrong with that, since Android is open, but it's not what Google wants, since they make their money via advertising. In other words, their recent actions are a defensive move designed to keep manufacturers from just piggy-backing off of Google's work. They don't want to "control" it, they just want people to continue to be able to access their services from any mobile device. I don't blame them one bit, personally.
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Posted: 2014-04-11 08:07:35
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On 2014-04-11 04:07:11, vikeviki wrote:
I finally took Xperia T2
Nice, how's it?
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Posted: 2014-04-11 09:16:20
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This whole "closing Of android" business is nonsense.
If you're tied into Google's services, doesn't mean Android is. Amazon have proven that all you need to displace Google's ecosystem while using Android, is an equivalently powerful ecosystem of your own.
Sony has PlayStation, some movies and some music and obviously games too. But their software is often lacklustre to the competition and fails to deliver on most accounts.
I really don't want them to put Vita OS on a phone, cause it is a seriously ugly and shitty price of software that would get destroyed on the market by much more refined, feature rich and altogether more aesthetically pleasing software.
Just continue making, Xperia devices and the margins on the hardware alone, should be more than enough. If they continue to grow smartphone sales.
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Posted: 2014-04-11 13:15:19
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On 2014-04-11 13:15:19, -XYZ wrote:
This whole "closing Of android" business is nonsense.
If you're tied into Google's services, doesn't mean Android is. Amazon have proven that all you need to displace Google's ecosystem while using Android, is an equivalently powerful ecosystem of your own.
Sony has PlayStation, some movies and some music and obviously games too. But their software is often lacklustre to the competition and fails to deliver on most accounts.
I really don't want them to put Vita OS on a phone, cause it is a seriously ugly and shitty price of software that would get destroyed on the market by much more refined, feature rich and altogether more aesthetically pleasing software.
Just continue making, Xperia devices and the margins on the hardware alone, should be more than enough. If they continue to grow smartphone sales.
+1
As much as I'm in love with my PSVita (hardware wise it's still stunning), its OS is shitty...! why those bubbles? I hope for them to put out a big update to make it more similar to the PS4 UI and the Xperia Home UI...
God please a phone with the PSVita OS would be slayed by everyone and everything!
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Posted: 2014-04-11 13:57:46
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Friends its really better than Z1 and that too half of the price ,except external speakers which is very too bad,rest features are good,display is not close to ultra when you watch it HD videos.....best buy for who loves big screen:)
I am happy about this phone lets enjoy for time being may be Z2 and Z3 are not mine:).untill sony comes with 1Inch sensor...rest all specs look same
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Posted: 2014-04-11 16:42:09
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Sony are mainly a hardware company, so expecting them to come up with a competitive software platform which can compete with Apple/Microsoft/Google (aka THE software cartel) is rather unrealistic. Nokia tried to take full control over their software needs, so they can get the full profit just like Apple, and we all saw what happened.. they got destroyed by the cartel.. at this point in time its almost impossible to compete with them in that regard.
We will have to wait and see what happens with Tizen, which is what Nokia and Intel started as MeeGo/Maemo, but I have my doubts that it will manage to replace iOS/Andro/WP in any meaningful way.
Sony have one exception here and that is the Play Station platform.. the reason being is that they were in that segment very early, got a huge user base, and the Play Station hardware has always been amazing. Also, the software side was never as important for the consoles as it is for PC/Phone ... but as you can see now MS are trying really hard to change that and make it more about the software and less about the hardware, simply because they know that Sony won't be able to compete, just like they can't compete on hardware.
So if you are expecting a "clean" Sony smartphone which runs homegrown software on their own hardware.. I would stop waiting.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-04-11 18:49 ]
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Posted: 2014-04-11 19:48:21
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The next generation of compact phone will be Z3C. Expect year-end release.
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Posted: 2014-04-12 04:20:10
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On 2014-04-11 19:48:21, cu015170 wrote:
Sony are mainly a hardware company, so expecting them to come up with a competitive software platform which can compete with Apple/Microsoft/Google (aka THE software cartel) is rather unrealistic. Nokia tried to take full control over their software needs, so they can get the full profit just like Apple, and we all saw what happened.. they got destroyed by the cartel.. at this point in time its almost impossible to compete with them in that regard.
We will have to wait and see what happens with Tizen, which is what Nokia and Intel started as MeeGo/Maemo, but I have my doubts that it will manage to replace iOS/Andro/WP in any meaningful way.
Sony have one exception here and that is the Play Station platform.. the reason being is that they were in that segment very early, got a huge user base, and the Play Station hardware has always been amazing. Also, the software side was never as important for the consoles as it is for PC/Phone ... but as you can see now MS are trying really hard to change that and make it more about the software and less about the hardware, simply because they know that Sony won't be able to compete, just like they can't compete on hardware.
So if you are expecting a "clean" Sony smartphone which runs homegrown software on their own hardware.. I would stop waiting.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-04-11 18:49 ]
Sorry but I think your point in not valid. It doesn't take a company to be software giant to make an OS platform. Your example of samsungs and Intel making Tizen is a clear example and a contradiction to what u said earlier in ur post. And about Sony I think through the years they've got enough experience to make a decent OS specially now that they're completely involved with android, they even helped google more than anyone else to improve android. Also another example is BB10. RIM wasn't a software company but they did it & same goes for Nokia and Symbian.
And about the vita OS I should remind u most of the complaints are about the UI not the OS itself, they can easily transfer their XPERIA UI there if that's what u like. That OS is pretty fluid and easily handles 3D icons while running heavy games in the background. They even made a special kernel for it from scratch which is optimized to be fast and has little footprint & I think that's really a good achievement for an electronic company. At the end I should say I think having an OS platform is only about money, marketing and management. Most of the software in android and iOS are developed by third parties(%99) and Google and Apple got there only because they were the first ones there, had the vision and enough expertise. Microsoft with their famous windows OS struggling there is another great example that being successful in smartphone OS wars has nothing to do with a company's background and expertise, as unlike Microsoft, Google's expertize wasn't about OS but mostly network software and marketing.
So for Sony I think their only way to survive in the future is to have an ecosystem unless they want to fight with Chinese low cost electronics(not just phones) in the next 10 years, Hell even now Chinese are slaughtering them everywhere. thats obvious & the best way to make a true ecosystem is a unified OS and Sony knows this. Their PS4 and vita running on the same kernel is another proof. So I think they will and are developing their own mobile OS unless theyre stupid which is possible considering their latency. For a Sony Mobile OS I think it only needs to be innovative, developer friendly, customizable enough for personalization, good marketing and bundling it with innovative and superb hardware. Just imagine a true PS Mobile, a NEX smartcamera, a smart Walkman with decent app libraries...oh well.
Sorry for the long post just my opinion though.
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Posted: 2014-04-12 05:30:02
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