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On 2005-11-05 14:22:59, mario2002 wrote:
Buddy,let me first comment on the things I know for certain.-YOU ARE NO C++ PROGRAMMER - Right ? Wow ,how did I know that ? Very simple,if you talk about 'converting' UIQ2 to 3 that you have no clue what's going on and buy SE's public stunt.I program since '84 in C and later C++. Now I don't want to contradict you but remember this from a old man.Just about all the applications will have to be rewritten for the new os.
Yeah, just like most of the software had to be _rewritten_ between windows 98 and windows xp, right?
If you are a c++ coder you should know better. If the api interfaces don't change too much, it's relatively easy to change and rebuild any previously done code. Sure, the screen size change could pose a problem for some, but if they even remotely thought about having their software on multiple platforms, that is not hardcoded. Same goes for anything platform specific.
So I do think that by the time the p990 comes out, many older programs will be available. Not to mention all that java stuff which will run anyways.
And yeah, I _am_ a c++ coder :D
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Posted: 2005-11-05 14:44:33
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LMAO! Its amazing how so many people here have written off watching TV on the N92's so called small screen (2.4" diagonal); yet will watch video 3gp clips on the K750i's small screen. Heck I seriously enjoyed watch 3gp music video's and even that "Chase" clip of that France underground sport on my N6620!
Remember Digital Streaming of TV on a broadcast wireless standard is in its early conception; yet if its marketed effectively it will take off. They used to say watching video's on a pocket portable DVD player was too small - well they sell. They said the same of HDD based video players, and even the recent iPod; yet there is huge demand!
Now take the WiFi abilities whether or not you like the N92/N80/P990i & its derivatives; to another level. I want to stream music over WiFi while I'm reading a PDF/Ebook on my phone while I'm lying down in bed. I want to listen to music on my phone in my pocket when I go for a piss, or even on my folded close when I'm in the shower (and the fan/vent is on to reduce humidity). I want to be able to do a video stream of VoIP call for FREE while I'm up in the room or in a free hotspot location!
Please people even if you dont like the N92 keep your minds open. There are a few thousand people in this world that work hard hours and take the bus home worring about missing (ladies - Desparate Housewives, us guys 24/Smallville/Invaders/) the open 15-40 minutes of a show.
Just 1.5 years ago people thought MP3's & camera's on the mobile phone was a gimmick. Some of us would believe it looking at the Motorola iTunes music phone (the hardware sucks -limitation of the software to protect Apples current Shuffle lineup makes it worse) if we didnt know any better. Wireless providers across the world are now not just pushing ringtones but trying to ally themselves to content for actual MP3 track downloads to phones, and some sports video streams.
If I could watch EVERY game, shite even 1 match in the World Cup Soccer coming up on my mobile phone - given the screen is bright, clear, and can display vivid colors - for FREE instead of paying the wireless providers a dime >>> THEN GIVE IT TO ME!!!
Remember open your minds!
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Posted: 2005-11-05 21:10:01
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Just because the phone wasnt an SE
This message was posted from a Nokia
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Posted: 2005-11-06 20:22:45
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Just a few sites regarding MobileTV
http://www.mobiletv.nokia.com/
http://www.mobiletv.nokia.com/overview/vision/
pay special attention to "In most of Nokia’s current trials the business model is based on subscription payment, but other payment methods are being tested. Some trials include free, premium, and pay-per-view services, all of which will generate new customers and revenue streams."
how it works
http://www.mobiletv.nokia.com/technology/dvb/
http://www.mobiletv.nokia.com/technology/
the technology behind it
Hmm I'm wondering if the little guys could create content and make more money for themselves??!!!!
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Posted: 2005-11-06 23:23:41
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On 2005-11-05 21:10:01, Prom1 wrote:
If I could watch EVERY game, shite even 1 match in the World Cup Soccer coming up on my mobile phone - given the screen is bright, clear, and can display vivid colors - for FREE instead of paying the wireless providers a dime >>> THEN GIVE IT TO ME!!!
Remember open your minds!
I'd love to share your enthusiasm but the business reality is that unless there's a significant enough audience to fund programming from advertising alone (which is MASSIVELY unlikely) then this will be a subscription service. You may not be paying the wireless providers, but you'll most certainly be paying someone.
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Posted: 2005-11-07 14:47:30
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On 2005-11-05 14:22:59, mario2002 wrote:
Buddy,let me first comment on the things I know for certain.-YOU ARE NO C++ PROGRAMMER - Right ? Wow ,how did I know that ? Very simple,if you talk about 'converting' UIQ2 to 3 that you have no clue what's going on and buy SE's public stunt.I program since '84 in C and later C++. Now I don't want to contradict you but remember this from a old man.Just about all the applications will have to be rewritten for the new os. Not only the user interface has changed (3) but also the operating system (9.1) also to top everything up the screen resolution is different too! In theory at least it will be easier to change a N92 program to work on a P990 then a old Pxx program ! Surprised ? (Hint : N92 and P990 share at least the os ! ) Now on the speed of the N92. Even if the digital tv decoder is done by hardware,the core CPU must dispaly the picture.This can be done with a separate chip too as in the P990 ,but still the N92 overall speed will be up because the graphic is taken care of.
This message was posted from a Nokia 7650
Mario - I know enough about developing to know that as long as api's are maintained between different versions of the same OS and UI (which they almost certainly will be), converting apps is never as dramatic a rewrite as you're suggesting. I can only guess that you're not a programmer either, or at least not a very successful one!
As for your comments on the CPU, you still don't seem to understand the fact that with separate silicon handling the mpeg decoding, the main CPU and graphics chip don't need to be one iota faster than the P990's, and there's absolutely no reason to think they will be. Hell, they could even be slower, it really doesn't matter.
Now, before you come back at me with some even sillier statements from "an old man", perhaps we could look again at these two phones and notice that the N92 doesn't have a keyboard, or a touchscreen, or any other form of rapid data entry, and that it's clearly not intended in any way as a business phone, and that aside from having a screen of vaguely similar size and making phone calls there's virtually nothing that these two phones have in common...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2005-11-07 14:08 ]
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Posted: 2005-11-07 14:59:17
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certainly orange's new tv service works on the same premise as buying a gprs package from them. it's a certain cost for a certain amount of data transferred. As such with the current pricing, you'd get about 20 hours tv for £10 (IIRC). certainly not a bad price for so much. the question is, what can you actually watch? no doubts it'll be re-runs of series 1 friends, or baywatch! if they were to do a live feed, in partnership with the tv channels, then maybe, it'd be worth doing for a month next summer. as it is, i can watch my baywatch videos anytime thanks!
as for the "p9xx killer", this new nokia certainly isn't one. what can you do on this POS that you can't do on a p910? errrr, nothing? even their new N72 (?) smartphone is more of a challenger to the blackberrys rather than the p9xx 'cos it still runs on the lesser series 60 OS.Noxia have their 9x00 range, which *is* a rival, pure and simply for the fact it runs the same OS. i'm sure when UIQ3 is out, there'll be a new nokia 9x00 out too, which will no doubt be of the same bulky, '80s design as the rest of them!
as for this "arguement" about having to update software for the new UIQ, i guess the nokia guys wouldn't know a lot. after all, their software hasn't been updated since prehistoric times..... It's nice to have a range of phones from a manufacturer that actually try and improve things, rather than just stick a shiny new case on the same old POS.
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Posted: 2005-11-07 16:44:20
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Quote:Now, before you come back at me with some even sillier statements from "an old man", perhaps we could look again at these two phones and notice that the N92 doesn't have a keyboard, or a touchscreen, or any other form of rapid data entry, and that it's clearly not intended in any way as a business phone, and that aside from having a screen of vaguely similar size and making phone calls there's virtually nothing that these two phones have in common...
ditto
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Posted: 2005-11-07 16:52:51
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On 2005-11-02 17:45:12, phsychomantis wrote:
it was already killed by n90,n91 the reamins will be buried by n92 i don't know what kind of people will choose p990
but they are certainly going to be very less if the decrease in SE sales continues like this
http://www.mobiletracker.net/[....]8/26/mobile-phone-market-share
that doesn't include Q3 which is when the v succesful K750 launched. Pls don't post FUD.
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Posted: 2005-11-07 17:45:14
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The funny is that guy mentioned a phone that never hit the market (n91) and another one (n90)that is actual flop in its main feature, the supposed unvencible camera with CZ lens that was at least matched by k750/w800 in quality
lol
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Posted: 2005-11-07 17:57:33
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