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Now you eventually got the point
'concepts' are made by (living) humans for the (living) humans. If there are no humans there are no 'concepts'.Only the ashes of the paper and the 'gone for ever' yellow. Greetings from South Africa. Mario.
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Posted: 2006-01-29 07:34:00
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On 2006-01-27 10:29:57, scotsboyuk wrote:
I believe that certain Buddhist traditions use practical examples to prove that a person is a reincarnation of someone who had previously died...
Buddhists tend to believe in 'rebirth', which is something different from reincarnation. Buddhists believe in anatta (the concept of 'no-self') and anicca (the concept of impermanence).
Wiki expalins it quite well:
Buddhist rebirth.
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Posted: 2006-01-29 08:37:18
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If u'v got digital tv. Sky, Freeview, Cable etc. . . Channels such as LivingTV, FTN, Sci-fi (in UK) show programs covering many different paranormal topics. . On FTN the other night i watched 'Jane Goldman investigates' she looks into finding proof 4 things such as reincarnation, past life etc...
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Posted: 2006-01-29 10:07:29
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On 2006-01-29 07:34:00, mario2002 wrote:
Now you eventually got the point
'concepts' are made by (living) humans for the (living) humans. If there are no humans there are no 'concepts'.Only the ashes of the paper and the 'gone for ever' yellow. Greetings from South Africa. Mario.
Good points I agree.
A human body is just a book. However the spirit that inhabits a human body is more permanent. For example, yellow has existed since the first stars flickered into existence. Back then, "human" only existed as an idea in the universal mind, but yellow existed. Yellow predates humanity, but back then it didn't have the name "yellow". There was no human to "judge" or "categorise" yellow, but nevertheless a frequency of light that carried the colour yellow existed.
Go back before the first stars, in the first few milliseconds after the big bang, and even then the colour yellow existed. It didn't exist as a colour that human eyes would percieve as "yellow", but the nature of the colour yellow existed many octaves lower than visible yellow, as a deep vibration in the dense mass of particles. For example, the attributes of the colour yellow, exists as sound in the note of E, on a lower octave than visible light. The concept of yellow is something innate to the physical universe. It is encoded in the universe by God. Our souls are like colours; an innate, eternal element of the universe.
The yellow page however, is like our human body. The frequency of our eternal soul is often encoded in the physical universe but at a much lower octave, ie: as a human being. By encoding (incarnating) ourselves into the physical universe, we choose to limit the true power of our spiritual being. What is encoded is not a true representation of the reality of our spiritual self. In the same way the yellow paper is not a true representation of all the many manifestations of "yellow" that are possible.
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Posted: 2006-01-29 14:00:18
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On 2006-01-28 23:16:53, mario2002 wrote:
Huh buddy, you still seem not to understand what I am saying. The issue is not about the information per se, but about the moving/direction thereof ! Let's make it even simpler. I burn a yellow piece of paper. Where does the 'yellow' go ?
The yellow doesn't go anywhere because it never actually existed in any form of reality other than our mind. Yellow is a human perception of a certain wavelength of light; there is no 'yellow' in nature. The wavelength of light corresponding to the human concept of yellow exists, but 'yellow' is a human construct that exists within our minds. Your burning a piece of yellow paper does absolutely nothing to the concept of yellow, it does alter the observed wavelengths of light though.
Information cannot be destroyed because it always exists. Hypotheticaly someone could destroy everything yellow in the universe, but that would not destroy 'yellow', just its perceived physical manifestation. Similarly if all knowledge of how to write were to be somehow taken away from us, the concept of writing is not destroyed, just the physical manifestation of that concept (which could be re-learnt).
Information does not go anywhere because information is not tied to the physical world. Likewise a living being is more than the sum of its parts. A dog may very well be a collection of various elements grouped into molecules, which are in turn grouped into various structures, but then a house could be described in the same way. What is it that makes the atoms and molecules that make up a dog different to the atoms and molecules which make up a house? In physical terms one can only really differentiate based upon chemical makeup and interaction. But such an explanation doesn't actually tell you why the dog is alive and why the house is not; it merely tells you that they are different and behave in different ways, it says nothing of why the same basic building blocks that make up both entities i.e. atoms/quarks are able to make up two very different things, one of which is considered to be alive. It says nothing of what 'alive' actually means beyond chemical processes.
There is something beyond the physical building blocks that both the dog and the house share that serves to make the dog alive. We don't really know what that is; some might call it a soul, a spirit, etc, but we have no definite idea of what it is or how it works. Is it an emergent property of matter? Is it a supernatural force outside of the universe we know? We don't know. What can be said is that there is something which serves to impart what we call life to certain groupings of matter that serves to differentiate that matter from that which does not posess whatever that something is.
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Posted: 2006-01-29 17:28:42
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Huh buddy, did you tippe all that on a cell's keyboard ? You are thinking to 'deeply'. You don't see the forest because of the many trees 'in the way'. Look at the things at face value. Ever heard of 'Occam Razor' ;-)
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Posted: 2006-01-30 08:44:17
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One goes to Heaven or Hell,Amen.
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Posted: 2006-01-30 09:35:37
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What about that guy that talks to the dead - croosing over with...??? (I forget his name.)
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Posted: 2006-01-30 09:44:43
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On 2006-01-29 08:37:18, absinthebri wrote:
Buddhists tend to believe in 'rebirth', which is something different from reincarnation. Buddhists believe in anatta (the concept of 'no-self') and anicca (the concept of impermanence).
Wiki expalins it quite well:
Buddhist rebirth.
I shall defer to your superior knowledge of Buddhism here since I know you are a Buddhist and as you know I am not. I was using the term 'reincarnation' in its more general sense in my earlier post so your point is well received.
Quote:Huh buddy, did you tippe all that on a cell's keyboard ? You are thinking to 'deeply'. You don't see the forest because of the many trees 'in the way'. Look at the things at face value. Ever heard of 'Occam Razor'
I used a PC, it's simpler (and easier) than using a mobile to type that much text.
It is interesting that you should say I was being too complex since the relatively simple point I made is actually in agreement with an earlier comment you had made about human concepts. Your post seems to be more in step with a march to refute my post by simply saying it is too long and/or complex.
The simple fact of the matter where reincarnation is concerned is that we do not have any scientific proof for or against it. Whatever one's opinions on the subject may be they will invariably be beliefs, not scientificaly proven facts.
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Posted: 2006-01-30 09:53:18
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Yeah, you are right buddy :-) Greetings from South Africa. Mario
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Posted: 2006-01-30 09:59:35
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