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i respect peoples opinion of course. We cant all have the same likes/dislikes. There are some who. for example, say xxx has a crap media player, even when they have not used the phone! how they can say that, i dont know.... and in the one thread, people can repeat them selves over and over abusing one company, not just say it once, make your point, then dont say it again... the more you say, the more stirr up people, of course leading to arguements....

if you dont like something, dont say it so harshly or if you say one feature is crap, make sure you actually used the phone before you say it....
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Posted: 2007-06-01 16:39:50
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maggflodd Posts: > 500

That SE-abuse really has to stop: my k750 just called me a "nokey-pokey" - it can't stand my e61!
sorry!
i think this is really about "streitkultur" - a lovely, hard to translate German term for, eh, culture of argument/cultivation of debate... It's mostly just the inability to "suck it up" at the right time. Repeating a real argument is one thing - repeating some cliche/prejudgement/prejudice/misinformation etc is quite another thing... Has nothing to do with SE or nokia or moto...
Maggflodd
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Posted: 2007-06-01 17:13:07
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Wuz Posts: 319

Have to say, I couldn't disagree more with the original poster.

Firstly. this is a forum to discuss whatever aspect of a phone/brand etc...we wish to. Not just the positive aspects...which would be very dull and would in many cases offer a limited perspective.

Secondly, the reason things are perhaps changing is that when old boys like me first started visiting the site, SE was renowned for its innovation - it was its unique selling point. Other brands have subsequently caught up and overtaken. SE is now persuing a far more 'middle of the road', mass produced mobile phone business model. Its original raison d'etre has changed. This is bound to cause disquiet among SE loyalists who wish that their brand might still preserve its original strengths, whilst accepting that it has to adapt to survive and prosper.

Finally, as I have repeatedly stated before on this site, trying to censor Esato in the way that you intend is pointless and bound to fail, on a pratcical level...regardless of the moral arguement you are trying to make.
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Posted: 2007-06-01 17:35:42
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maggflodd Posts: > 500

@ wuz,
well argued, good points!
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Posted: 2007-06-01 17:37:36
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>500 Posts: > 500

@wuz
im not telling people not to discuss phones.... dont worry, you people arent understanding me, i must not have worded my post properly. no need to jump down my throat about it... guess what i am thinking in my head i cant put into words


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Posted: 2007-06-01 17:44:17
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Wuz Posts: 319

@ 500

Perhaps that sums up the problem... you are too sensitive and reading too much into other people's posts.

I'm not 'jumping down your throat'... I'm sorry if you think I am. I am simply disagreeing with you.

[ This Message was edited by: Wuz on 2007-06-01 17:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-01 18:28:06
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dr_thug Posts: > 500

Yup it is frustrating..2 nokia fanboys in esato have a rant about everything related to SE...they don't even own a se phone anymore...moved on to nokias...and they know that there will be no SE product that will fulfill their N95 like dreams...yet they come to bash SE at every rumor/announcement/patent idea ..most times they don't even have any valid opinion...just a rant filled post.

Nowdays,when reading through forums,when i come across those usernames,i don't bother to read their posts.
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Posted: 2007-06-01 19:42:24
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Bambino Posts: > 500

Maybe I should remind you all. Critics to isnt always a bad thing.
Maybe some people do blind critics or bashing with/out logical reason, BUT there are some people critics becouse they love and they do CARE! they often think what if didnt know what have they done? A failure?
If consumer (we) dont give them direction they may lost in their way!

If you keep defending them blindly, it same as you rising your children in a wrong way likely to spoil them.
So if you want to be a really big and good company CRITICS THEM!
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Posted: 2007-06-01 20:03:00
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QVGA Posts: > 500


On 2007-06-01 19:42:24, dr_thug wrote:
Yup it is frustrating..2 nokia fanboys in esato have a rant about everything related to SE...they don't even own a se phone anymore...moved on to nokias...and they know that there will be no SE product that will fulfill their N95 like dreams...yet they come to bash SE at every rumor/announcement/patent idea ..most times they don't even have any valid opinion...just a rant filled post.

Nowdays,when reading through forums,when i come across those usernames,i don't bother to read their posts.


who are those two?
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Posted: 2007-06-01 22:21:52
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Mr Miyagi Posts: > 500

how do you know der are 2? from what i can see, a lot of s.e fans have gone and converted to nokia fans by buying handsets like n95 etc. think this forum is becoming more and more nokia instead of s.e.


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Posted: 2007-06-01 22:23:14
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