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axxxr Posts: > 500


On 2007-07-01 11:37:31, shaliron wrote:

For example, 9/11, it took far too long before the leaders of the Muslim community to condemn the acts committed, which led the public to believe that they somewhat supported the acts.



Thats because muslims knew that it wasn't them that were responsible, its pretty clear now that 9/11 was an inside job created by the American Government...why should muslims have to condemn something they had no part in anyway?

If you examine the evidence you will find the there is no bigger Terrorist than the U.S and it was them that created Osama bin laden, as i've said before don't blame frankenstein's monster blame Dr frankenstein!
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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:30:48
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oneofthose Posts: 50


On 2007-07-01 11:37:31, shaliron wrote:
@mweb6161

That logic is understandable, but should never be used as an excuse, there is no such thing as a righteous terrorist IMO.


I'm all with you there.


On 2007-06-30 22:52:59, PeterKay wrote:
Every time an incident occurs it's always the Muslims who get blamed/accused nowadays, makes me feel so bad and hurt especially as the religion in no way teaches such acts!! The media make it out as if the religion teaches such vile actions but it honestly doesn't, its a very easy peaceful religion.....


I understand what you mean completely, but a lot has to do with the way your religious leaders deal with the issues. They are the ones in the public eye, so they are half the reason for the bad public image.

For example, 9/11, it took far too long before the leaders of the Muslim community to condemn the acts committed, which led the public to believe that they somewhat supported the acts.

Or, specifically in Australia, when the top Sheik said some horrible things about women and Australians in general. Other Muslim leaders failed to 'condemn' what he said, and it took far too long before he forced to resign. Add lack of general condemnation from the Muslim community, and you get a bad public image.


But anyway, I'm wishing all of you in the UK the best of luck, and I hope you get through this period with no serious incidents or casualties. It's horrible what's happened.

nonsense - and your contributions in other threads suggest that you're are much too smart to fall for this bs of "blame the muslims who don't blame the muslims"!!!!!!!
among other things that criticism is just a way of ignoring any valid contributions from muslims re. a proper holistic debate and analysis! you just say, "ah, you muslim...until you confess we don't listen to you"...it's guantanamo lite, dreamt up by the spinners of this world!
it's like early christians thrown before the llions in the circus, and the only way to stop the carnage was to deny jesus...
and explain the difference between abu hamza and ian paisly/david trimble... between abu hamza and US-tvangelists calling for the assassination of hugo chavez?
oh gosh, I could go on, but why should I, not knowing if you give a hoot?
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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:32:32
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fatreg Posts: > 500

if you aren't responsible for something you protest your innocence until you are blue in the face.

I'm not 100% on any of the 3 "attacks" that happened this week, there is not enough evidence for me to give an opinionated view.



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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:35:30
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axxxr Posts: > 500

Just think about it for a second guys, Isn't it a little convenient that 3 terrorist attacks take place within 2 days of a new Prime minister coming in....i smell a rat!


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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:41:36
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MWEB Posts: > 500


On 2007-06-30 22:52:59, PeterKay wrote:
Every time an incident occurs it's always the Muslims who get blamed/accused nowadays, makes me feel so bad and hurt especially as the religion in no way teaches such acts!! The media make it out as if the religion teaches such vile actions but it honestly doesn't, its a very easy peaceful religion.....

Just look at the my signature if you wish to see what the religion really teaches.

Peace to all.



Peter kay is quite correct, The vast majority of UK muslims are wonderful, friendly, decent people who have no truck with terrorism, by the same token, the vast majority of the UK and US populace had bugger all to do with the war in Iraq etc, so in NO way are legitamate targets for deranged and warped fundamentalists who perhaps might be better aiming their venom on the politicians whose decision it was, NOT EVERY man, woman and child in the western world!!
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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:43:19
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oneofthose Posts: 50


On 2007-07-01 13:35:30, fatreg wrote:
if you aren't responsible for something you protest your innocence until you are blue in the face.

I'm not 100% on any of the 3 "attacks" that happened this week, there is not enough evidence for me to give an opinionated view.



well said! bloody right!
thanks!
though I could go on and on
full of opinio-nation
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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:44:01
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axxxr Posts: > 500


On 2007-07-01 13:43:19, mweb6161 wrote:


Peter kay is quite correct, The vast majority of UK muslims are wonderful, friendly, decent people who have no truck with terrorism, by the same token, the vast majority of the UK and US populace had bugger all to do with the war in Iraq etc, so in NO way are legitamate targets for deranged and warped fundamentalists who perhaps might be better aiming their venom on the politicians whose decision it was, NOT EVERY man, woman and child in the western world!!



So what did the average poor iraqi/afghani man, woman and child ever do to us that we invaded there country and went on a murderous rampage?


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Posted: 2007-07-01 13:59:19
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MWEB Posts: > 500

Define "we" i was certainly against going in, as were (are) a great many others, You ought not to tar EVERYONE with the same brush, thats the mistake that fundamentalists of ALL persuasions make.
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Posted: 2007-07-01 14:03:33
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axxxr Posts: > 500


On 2007-07-01 14:03:33, mweb6161 wrote:
Define "we" i was certainly against going in, as were (are) a great many others, You ought not to tar EVERYONE with the same brush, thats the mistake that fundamentalists of ALL persuasions make.



We as in our country, not in the sense that you or I ...i have to say "WE" because our government went to war on the premise that they were doing it for US, (US the U.S see a connection? )

You don't seem to understand the argument im making here, its quite simple, no need to complicate things... you cannot blame the so called terrorists for there actions when it was out government then went to illegally invade someones land, what did you expect them to do, send us a bunch of red roses and thankyou note saying Thanks very much Mr Britain for invading our country and killing our people! ... Like i said earlier what goes around comes around, Sir Issac Newton's law comes to mind here, "every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
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Posted: 2007-07-01 14:18:14
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maggflodd Posts: > 500


On 2007-07-01 14:03:33, mweb6161 wrote:
Define "we" i was certainly against going in, as were (are) a great many others, You ought not to tar EVERYONE with the same brush, thats the mistake that fundamentalists of ALL persuasions make.

...
when Clinton and Blair bombed the sh*t out of iraq (the conveniently declared no-fly-zone...of course no UN-mandate...) Madame Albright stated a hundred thousand dead iraqi children were a "price she was willing to pay" to get to Saddam... and if it sooo offends you to be included in the "we" how come Blair made it for so many years? were is the real, THE REAL outrage against the scum that rules "us"???
"oooh,eh, but he did good stuff too... and Bill looked so cute and he cured aids, so lets make his wife president, and Gordon is sooooo..."!

Don't get me wrong, but until you post a link of some sort that shows your daily disgust, your daily outrage, your "I'm not we" is just a convenient way out! If I were to be injured in some non-false-flag terror attack by someone with a proper grudge it'd make more sense to me than getting the crap beaten out of me by some cop defending blair's vision/bush's vision.... Cause I didn't count myself in when Blair called for a bloodsacrifice
(and then cry when his sons can't get a flat without soliciting a criminal boohoooooo)...and not 1 person there to p*nch his face in a public appearance? no nose-bleed-sacrifice? cause he gave you the minimum wage?
I am disgusted every single day! Every single day! And I don't even live in any of the f*ckers' playgrounds of world dictatorship! Their friendly fascism sickens me - and half a million brits on the streets mean sh*t to them! half a million taxable suckers!
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Posted: 2007-07-01 14:23:16
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