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of course the videos are not as good as a 5mp device but actually, this video recorder software produces remarkably good MOV files, and certainly they are good enough to upload to youtube etc which then do heavy compression and conversion anyway, or to email as they are still of a reasonably manageable size

jailbreaking, unlocking etc is a choice we have and a choice that everyone has on any mobile phone so its not unique to the iphone. look at the software, firmware and drivers forum here and see how many people are customising their handsets with patches and sound and audio drivers etc

this is, as usual, a discussion that will never have an ending because different people want different things and different people see things differently

for me, as a windows mobile "fanboy" for years, I still do a hell of alot more on my iphone than I ever did on my WM devices, and that is enough reason for me personally to have it
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Posted: 2009-03-31 12:51:43
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So, what do you do when you buy an Apple IPhone on an 18 month contract, and then think 'Oh damn, I wish I had a better camera'

If I ever want an upgrade to a better phone within my 18 months, I am more then capable of putting my current phone on Ebay and buying a new one Sim free. But I really dont see myself having to do that with the LG.

There is not one thing that you can add to an I phone as an App that is important to me or that I need on my phone, you obviously need a lot of apps and even jailbreaking because your I Phone is not good enough for your needs out of the box.

And I have never heard about Jailbraking mobile phones untill the defficient I phone made the practice so much more common, widespread and popular, because of how frustrated users are with what their I phone actually cannot do.

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Posted: 2009-03-31 13:02:10
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Jailbreaking can be reversed in moments, there's no need for it to ever be a warranty issue.



It's one feature. If I thought video recording was so much more worthwhile than all the iPhone's finer points, I wouldn't have bought an iPhone - but clearly it's not hampered the iPhone or its many users too much.



I won't bore you with the long list of feature and usability improvements that the dedicated Facebook and (various) Twitter apps offer over the rubbish mobile web versions, but naturally if they weren't there then the apps wouldn't exist in the first place, since the iPhone can easily access the desktop and mobile versions of those sites too.



I think if it had TomTom built in, you'd probably know. Like so many other things, it's something you might not need now, but could easily need six months down the line.



And what, that's impressive? What about push email? What about your calendar and contacts, could you sync those with an Exchange account? How well does it handle attachments, or HTML email?



So you don't use any of the functions of your Arena - the email, calendar, calculator, Youtube, Google - you realise they're all apps, right?
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Posted: 2009-03-31 13:16:55
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I do have a better camera, its called a Sony T series



I don't just have an iPhone... I still experiment with other phones in the same way you do. Since having the iphone I have had an HTC tytn II, HTC diamond, the X1 and N95-8gb and a couple other I can't think of right away.

But yes, I never liked the idea of an 18 month contract and never had one previously. my iphone 2g was bought sim free but when the 3g came along I figured I may as well move my number from t-mobile and use the minutes/data etc included in the plan since, by that time, I was already convinced by the iphone. I still remember when I got that first 2g I said on here that I'd have to get one just to check it out and see what others were talking about. I even had a couple of people lined up to buy it from before before I had even bought the thing. Then I got it and a whole new world was opened up to me.



you seem to see jailbreaking as a bad thing but as I said earlier, its what alot of people do on here with other phones (patches etc) in order to get more from their device so doing it on the iphone is not unusual



lol, people (and me) were hacking motorola V3s and other phones long before iphone came along.

what we see as a phone with alot of possibility to make it exactly what we want... you see as a phone with alot of limitations. you need to open your mind a bit more to the possibilities
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Posted: 2009-03-31 13:21:07
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Not apps that I needed to actually download, you see, I got exactly what I wanted in my phone, it does what I want out of the box, and it is superior to your I phone in every single possible way ....

Except for your useless downloadable apps

Oh, and facebook on my T700 opera mini is far from rubbish, it is easy to use and I have no problems with it to need a seperate app for it.

I now have a full HTML browser, so no, I really dont need Facebook or Email apps when I can just log into the websites on my browser and use them as I would on my PC.

As long as I can send and recieve email, and use facebook easilly and comfortably, there is absolutely no need for me to get an I phone just to be able to use an app that makes using them 5% easier or something.

You still have not convinced me at all that your apps on your I phone are usefull in anyway.

I dont uderstand what else I need for emails if my phone already automatically recieves them and lets me reply? Sorry, but I am simple, and my phone makes email so simple that I dont need Microsoft Outlook, which BTW, your using a microsoft software on your I phone lol.

(I have never used MS outlook, and never need to).

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Posted: 2009-03-31 13:21:51
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Sorry, but no. Being objective about this, you have a nicer camera and video recording, and a higher res screen (that's no so readable in daylight). That's pretty much where your superiority ends.



Those downloadable apps that can extend the iPhone's abilities in every possible way?



So why upgrade at all? Don't exactly "believe in better", do you?



That's slower than the iPhone's, according to reviews.



So your PC is slow and has a 3" screen? No, didn't think so. You spend a few weeks logging into the full HTML version of Facebook on your Arena and then tell me that it's just like your PC, and you can see no virtue in a superfast dedicated client that's perfectly tailored to mobile use.



First off, I'm not talking about Outlook, or using Microsoft software on the iPhone (although I've no problem with Outlook or Microsoft for that matter). I'm talking about the ability to hook up your phone's email, calendar, contacts and more over the air to an Exchange server, which is something that many professional people want or often need to do. The iPhone supports it, your Arena (I'm guessing from your blankfaced response) does not.

The thing is, when you came onto this thread, you made various claims about how iPhone users could easily make do with a cheaper phone, that your T700 did everything the iPhone did, and that your Arena did even more (better in every possible way, etc). Of course what you actually mean, and have supported with everything you said since, is that you can easily make do with a cheaper phone, that your T700 did everything you needed it to, and that your Arena is even better suited to your needs. Is any of that actually relevant to this thread?

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Posted: 2009-03-31 14:02:47
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My posts are only irrelevant to I phone fans such as yourself, simply comparing the I phone to other handsets feature wise is not a problem to anyone else.



Because my contract ended and I had an upgrade like I get every 18 months? Anything wrong with that?



Plus expandable memory up to 40 GB, better video playback, Dolby Mobile audio, and a smaller, lighter phone?

Yes that is where my phones superiority ends. It is still superior to your I phone in all of those areas lol.

I have no idea why people are drawn to the I phone so much to have to defend it as much as you do. What is with your incredible obsession with downloadable apps and wanting to counter every negative, yet true statement made about the I phone?

The I phone is of course still relevant because of fans of the device such as yourself. I also heard such possitive comments about the Samsung Omnia from someone who bought and used one, put I looked at the specs and saw only 640x480 at 15 FPS video recording, so I chose not to buy one because I wanted at least 30 FPS VGA quality as a bare minimum for a high end handset.

I get what is worth my money. LG Arena is definately worth the £200 I paid. T700 was definately worth the £150 sim free price. The I phone however is overpriced and not worth the money, but of course, it is still relevant to its admirers and people who can blindly be so devoted to a mobile phone made by apple.

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Posted: 2009-03-31 14:22:30
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But you just keep proving that other handsets can't compare "feature wise" to the iPhone. For instance I couldn't possibly switch to your Arena because I need full Exchange compatibility. I had it on my last HTC phone and never even considered the iPhone until it gained that feature in the last big update. It's a common requirement for many people, particularly in business. So why do you keep pretending that cheaper, non-smart feature phones like the Arena and T700 can be viable alternatives?



It's just funny that you can't see the irony, that's all. You wouldn't dream of not getting your upgrade every 18 months and dropping one old feature for something better like a hot stone, but of course the idea of being able to update and improve the features of your phone on a daily basis through downloadable apps is completely alien and repugnant to you...



Got a 40GB card on order, have we? As far as I'm concerned nothing could improve on the quality of the iPhone video experience, and if "Dolby Mobile" isn't a meaningless marketing gimmick I don't what is!



Have you asked yourself why you feel the need to attack it as much as you do? Did you notice me "defending" it before you weighed in with your ridiculous claims about how I (along with every other iPhone user) should make do with a T700?



Perhaps I'm just enthusiastic about them because I actually know what they are, what their value is, and how much they can add to the usefulness of the phone?



This simply makes no sense. In what way can I "make" the iPhone relevant. Perhaps you mean it's still relevant because it's still popular, but surely that isn't answering the question at all - why is it so popular? Because people like me like it? It's a meaningless, circular argument that dodges the issue you don't want to tackle - what's so good about the iPhone..



Another attempt to paint me, Masseur and others as helpless Apple acolytes, despite the fact that I've never owned another Apple product in my long and mostly Microsoft-driven life. Yawn.

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Posted: 2009-03-31 14:59:13
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ditto. this is the first ever Apple product and even after iphone 2g and 3g I'm still hesitant to get an apple computer of any type

I do admit that I almost got the Newton, and sometimes wish I had considering

btw, I also do use outlook because no matter what device I have ever had, be it palm, psion, pocketpc, windows mobile, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, etc etc, I have always been able to synch my contacts and stuff from that central point
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Posted: 2009-03-31 15:10:38
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I missed this from your edit on the previous page, so in answer to your question - wrong, the Appstore is crammed full of third party apps written by third party developers, it's only the store itself which is run by Apple.
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Posted: 2009-03-31 15:35:23
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