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Mining uranium ore is a dirty business, and tied in with the greater risk of using nuclear energy, I don't think it's viable in the grand scheme of things. The stupid "bury the CO2" idea is more enticing than nuclear energy.
Wind and wave, and for our transportation, hydrogen. Not just fuel cells - I'm hoping to see a safe hydrogen combustion engine. There should be some manufacturers toying with the idea.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:05:52
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And you put the nuclear waste were exactly?
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:06:58
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Well it must be the lesser of two evils. I think carbon emissions have to be curtailed for a number of reasons - its dirty, unhealthy, causes respiration problems, causes wars..... Either carry on pumping co2 into the atmosphere indefinitely or bury nuclear waste. What do you think is the best bet?
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:13:35
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Renewable energy is fine but its weather its enough to reach everyone.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:16:00
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I think carrying out what arien617 wrote is working just fine. Look at mobiles from 1990 and look at them now. The same "jump" can happen to alternative energies and it is already happening.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:20:09
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And that's the problem - everyone's belief is that carbon dioxide is our only problem, which it just isn't. It solely depends on what facts your government is feeding you. Assuming global warming is real, CO2 cannot be the only cause. Correlation is not causation until it's proven so.
Our problem seems to be CO2, the Americans' is NOx. Nobody is agreeing on the matter. You cannot just label this one single chemical compound the destroyer of the human race.
I say continue pumping the CO2. As I mentioned in an earlier post that seemed to be overlooked, a time will come when we no longer will be capable of burning fossil fuels simply because there's none left. We're going to reach this point sooner or later.
We can make individual contributions to curbing greenhouse gas emissions, however, for all your carbon footprint in a year, a factory somewhere will be releasing it a millionfold. Don't burden yourselves with the pressure of 'saving the Earth.'

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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:28:41
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Well, and I'm sorry if its a silly question, but why would our goverments and scientists willingly feed us the wrong info and lead us to believe that there was ever a problem in the first place?

After all, they do make a lot money from the tax on fuel, road tax etc
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:36:04
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I'm not saying there isn't a problem. It's evident that our environment is changing. The point I put across is that we cannot call CO2 a cause just by looking at correlation. I also didn't say governments were wrong - I said they're indecisive. This weakens the credibility of their judgements massively.
But as a direct answer to your question, I can't say I know for sure. I'd just like to point out how fuel duty has continually increased. They're not losing a penny from this. If it was a conspiracy theory, I'd put it down as just causing panic. Buy eco cars, eco food, eco holidays, eco houses. Eco things cost more. Costing more brings in more money.
Tell me if I'm missing anything.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:49:03
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Well you could hardly say there was any sort of panic going on yet - not that I know of or where I live.
While I respect your opinion greatly, I'm still not convinced that there is no cause for concern as far as the indicators go.

Like I said previously, I don't thinks its a gamble worth taking.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:57:16
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Eco is only more expensive as the usual stuff is not charged for the external costs. Even totalitarian regimes are beginning to understand this, otherwise China would never invest in Green politics.

I do not believe that democratic governments "feed" anything, politicians are representatives of majorities and those change all the time in democratic systems - you can vote for them. E.g. Bush ignored global warming almost till the end, Obama tackles it. And every individual with a working brain can believe whoever he or she wants.

I believe the problem humanity is to face with environmental pollution is pretty complex, the best effort to describe it I found here: http://www.storyofstuff.com/
Like goldenface I believe it is high time to act up and we can make a difference by applying sustainable solutions. Things like the GreenHeart initiative is a positive step in the right direction and these might buy us some time.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 17:08:05
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