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On 2010-09-22 18:45:26, Bonovox wrote:
Wouldn't it be good if
had it's own smart phone OS ...
Yes it would because manufacturers with their own OS and successful App Store
generate much more profits.
At this stage, I don't think
is capable of pulling it off though. Maybe if Sony and
combined to share an OS between smartphones, game consoles, future tablets, cloud-connected laptops and appliances that utilise an embedded OS, but Android and W7 are already well ahead in those stakes.
I can understand
wanting to focus on Android and WP7 at present, but if they don't sort out their glacial pace of updates, I can't see them maintaining a top 5 position in the market overall.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2010-09-24 14:22 ]
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Posted: 2010-09-24 02:37:07
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Wen SE dropped UIQ i was very disappointed. Series 60 wasn't good enough to use on a touchscreen phone.
And now they really don't want to play the Symbian card. Again they are not listening to their fans.
Android is nice and fresh, but its got a long way to go to compete against Symbian. Android is over hyped and overrated.
IOS is the same thing. Bada will fail, and windows 7 will always be windows and have many shortcommings.
Again, SE hired some stupid people to lead the company. And with this latest move i'll have to move 2, i'll have to move to Nokia to keep the Symbian spirit alive.
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Posted: 2010-09-24 11:49:30
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On 2010-09-24 11:49:30, bart wrote:
Wen SE dropped UIQ i was very disappointed. Series 60 wasn't good enough to use on a touchscreen phone.
And now they really don't want to play the Symbian card. Again they are not listening to their fans.
Android is nice and fresh, but its got a long way to go to compete against Symbian. Android is over hyped and overrated.
IOS is the same thing. Bada will fail, and windows 7 will always be windows and have many shortcommings.
Again, SE hired some stupid people to lead the company. And with this latest move i'll have to move 2, i'll have to move to Nokia to keep the Symbian spirit alive.
What you say Bart is 100% right , I can't find suitable applications for my VIVAZ , and it wasn't feelign like a phone when I had my P990i
After NOKIA is controlling the design of SYMBIAN , it lost the SONY ERICSSON touch and power
I think its better for them to focus on Android of course , but I think they realy would let SYMBIAN down
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Posted: 2010-09-24 13:06:17
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@carkitter
I agree, at this pace SE is kicking itself out of the top 5. Moto and HTC are headed straight for the top 5 and the casualties are likely to be SE and RIM. HTC is going to take a little longer than Moto but SE are sure making it easy for the awakening Taiwanese giant. It is such a shame that SE with such a rich heritage from such powerful parents is so confused.
@bart
SE had a brilliant touch interface in UIQ and could've been easily the benchmark today even with Apple being active with iOS had they played their cards right. I honestly think Bert is the perfect man for the job however, there is a lot of dead wood left over at SE that should've gotten the boot. Those stupid people are dragging SE down the drain.
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Posted: 2010-09-24 18:27:19
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I have said this already i no longer like Android for many reasons. It is over rated and has many issues i cannot stand. And again i am not discussing it cos i will only start people going on at me.
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Posted: 2010-09-24 18:40:00
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On 2010-09-24 02:37:07, carkitter wrote:
if they don't sort out their glacial pace..
Funniest thing ive heard all week, i'll have to remember that one !
At last some seasoned Esato veterans like
bart are here to back me up against the Symbian-haters !
I used to love SE, but they are so stupid now they're not worth my time or money again. Bring on my N8 !
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Posted: 2010-09-24 19:24:21
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we might be old, but have not been corrupted by overrated and over hyped phones.
The oldies, the veterans here used to have phones without colors, a touchscreen, wifi, ...
back in the days we had WAP (HSCSD) and irda, then came GPRS and bleutooth, soon after bluetooth and colors.
While some had a go with the touchscreen based R380, many only joined up with the arrival of the P800. it set the industries standard. As newer models follow up P900/910 and P1i the world started to change slowly. we walked around with very powerful smartphones, but nobody cared.
then suddenly Apple launches a phone that i would've put next to a P800. but the used the most powerful weapon in the world, the media, and they created a hype that boosted the world into saying: I WANT A TOUCHSCREEN.
us symbian UIQ users were like, wtf? we've been using great phones like that for years, but nobody wanted to see/use them. (SE was bad at advertising).
Then one thing after the other went bad. Symbian UIQ stopped existing. Series60 was not ready for touchscreen. Apple became bigger and bigger, windows mobile grew slowly, RIM was starting to kick in. SE started to lack behind. When they introduced their flagship, the competitors were already on the market, the rise of samsung, a brand thats only about fashion and making money in every way possible (illegal 2), the rise of android, a platform with potential, but its also over hyped and not ready to compete with what could've been.
i use a P1i, about 2 months ago i won an X10. i used to for a day and then decided to sell it. Its easy to use, and the cam is good, but its to limited, even devices with android 2.2 are limted. you have aps, well yea many phones have aps, but normal things are still not their. its going to take till android 4.0 till i can say, its a good choice.
but by that time symbian^4 will be out on the market.
and if nokia (and some others) are smart enough, they'll push it so it can remain the top of the industry.
but to be honest, i fear that us veterans are going to keep wondering the world in search of a decent phone for another decade. if only we could build and develop our own phones ...
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Posted: 2010-09-24 21:10:33
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I still have no problem with Symbian I am not one who finds it hard to use. I just think it obviously needs tweaking a fair bit. I look forward to the N8
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Posted: 2010-09-24 21:18:54
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On 2010-09-24 21:10:33, bart wrote:
we might be old, but have not been corrupted by overrated and over hyped phones.
The oldies, the veterans here used to have phones without colors, a touchscreen, wifi, ...
back in the days we had WAP (HSCSD) and irda, then came GPRS and bleutooth, soon after bluetooth and colors.
While some had a go with the touchscreen based R380, many only joined up with the arrival of the P800. it set the industries standard. As newer models follow up P900/910 and P1i the world started to change slowly. we walked around with very powerful smartphones, but nobody cared.
then suddenly Apple launches a phone that i would've put next to a P800. but the used the most powerful weapon in the world, the media, and they created a hype that boosted the world into saying: I WANT A TOUCHSCREEN.
us symbian UIQ users were like, wtf? we've been using great phones like that for years, but nobody wanted to see/use them. (SE was bad at advertising).
Then one thing after the other went bad. Symbian UIQ stopped existing. Series60 was not ready for touchscreen. Apple became bigger and bigger, windows mobile grew slowly, RIM was starting to kick in. SE started to lack behind. When they introduced their flagship, the competitors were already on the market, the rise of samsung, a brand thats only about fashion and making money in every way possible (illegal 2), the rise of android, a platform with potential, but its also over hyped and not ready to compete with what could've been.
i use a P1i, about 2 months ago i won an X10. i used to for a day and then decided to sell it. Its easy to use, and the cam is good, but its to limited, even devices with android 2.2 are limted. you have aps, well yea many phones have aps, but normal things are still not their. its going to take till android 4.0 till i can say, its a good choice.
but by that time symbian^4 will be out on the market.
and if nokia (and some others) are smart enough, they'll push it so it can remain the top of the industry.
but to be honest, i fear that us veterans are going to keep wondering the world in search of a decent phone for another decade. if only we could build and develop our own phones ...
Oh, to have such rose tinted glasses...
My first
was a K700i but I had previously bought a Z600 for my wife. I had installed carkits for the P800 when new and was impressed with this new-fangled touchscreen smartphone technology. The trouble was, a K700i cost NZ$799 while a P800 cost NZ$1599. So I upgraded to V800, V630i and V640i, each phone more sophisticated than the last and an integral part of my usage was BT connectivity to MyPhoneExplorer. Remember that P-series could never connect to MPE? As K750i moved to K800i and K850i Cybershot and
phones began to leave the P-series behind even though the price remained staggeringly high. The P990 generated so many complaints on Esato any smart buyer would have steered clear of it. All this time 3G technology was in it's infancy, data plans were pricey and sales of these high priced, specialist phones were too small to make networks take notice, so they were targeted at business executives and IT guru's who mostly used them as digital calendars and diaries. Apps were basic and had to be sought out from a number of different websites. Touchscreens were resistive and required a stylus which always got lost.
So along comes Apple with a capacitive touchscreen which doesn't need a stylus, an App Store where thousands of high quality Apps can be easily found and downloaded, a beautiful styled thin device with a tough glass screen, a price starting a NZ$979 unsubsidised or NZ$699 in a NZ$40 monthly 2yr plan including 250MB (which is where I signed up) and you can see why premium phone buyers all over the world have discarded their feature phones and so-called smartphones of yesteryear for the iPhone. Smart is now about being connected to social media, email, aGPS and always having 'an App for that' such as dedicated news website apps. Android and iOS provide the features that have made the general public and network providers sit up and take notice. In NZ we have new 'revolutionary' plans including 3GB data and 1000 MMS (as well as calls and txts) for as little as NZ$40 per month which wouldn't have happened unless prompted by the iPhone.
I'm happy you have a phone you like, but saying that all was right with the mobile world during Symbian's reign and what's the big deal over iOS and Android (paraphrased) is simply burying your head in the sand. Prior to iOS, even app developers were unhappy with the way Symbian was going. App creation is now booming and Symbian is largely left behind.
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Posted: 2010-09-24 23:40:45
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@carkitter remember the k700i the battery lasted half a day
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Posted: 2010-09-25 00:05:57
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