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Damned shame we gave up the Empire, world would be much better off if we were still in charge. All this nonsense today, never happened on our watch.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 00:18:14
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Yea, when Bush turns up in the mornin, lets get him in a pub, get tanked up & find a supressed country to trash.
then, when were loosing popularity we could just pull out & leave the confused people to be ruled by a different bunch of brutal gangster types to replace the original unfair system.
I LIKE Britain, but lets not forget that it was built on the above kind of behaviour, the "Empire" was a "Bush type administration" thats where OUR freedom came from.
Eating lots of carrots wont improve your "site".
Sorry i got all political
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Posted: 2003-11-18 00:18:23
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do you think bush knows that we brits think he is a dumb f**k! a clown!
some one should show him dead ringers.....class show!
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Posted: 2003-11-18 00:28:23
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Fair points pachy, but do remember that it was the Empire, which introduced the idea of democracy to much of the world e.g. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Guyana, Nigeria, Kenya, Bahamas, Barbados, Jamaica (spell ?), India and many others too. It was also the Empire, which spread english across the globe creating a global language; it was also the Empire, which laid down the modern infrastructures of many nations around the world, i.e. schools, hospitals, railways, sea ports, trade routes, modern armies, modern civil administrations, etc; it was also the Empire that enabled Britain to successfully stand alone for a year against Germany and Italy and prevent invasion and defeat (which would most likely have resulted in a Nazi victory in WWII). The Empire also brought peace and stability to regions where conflict had reigned for centuries.
Of course many terrible deeds were done in the name of Imperialism. I do not for one second try and defend such barborous acts. However, ask me to choose between a world dominated by corporate America and one dominated by Britain and I know, which one I would pick.
Advance Brittannia.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 00:31:21
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> do you think bush knows that we brits think he is a dumb f**k! a clown!
Hey, I take offense at that.
Most of us Americans have thought he was a dumbass clown long before you brits even cared.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 00:33:22
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@scotsboyuk, my view is that all the infrastructure you speak of, was only put in place to support those countries AFTER we had taken over & took anything of any value away from the locals, that infrastructure was mainly for us, not them. they just happened to benifit as our rule decreased.
I am actually decendant from (my fathers side) Irish freethinkin/poor folk, who lived up at lough foyle, inishowen.
I tend to see britain as the "Best of many evils" when choosing a country to live in.
I see lots of hypocrisy in our press politics but i must admit i also like to play devils advocate a little.
We are being visited by a US president that comes as a friend but in the background is systematically removing all US based business from UK & promissing to cover any financial losses those companies experience in the process. that is like shaking our hand & kicking us up the arse at the same time.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 01:06:41
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Britain isn't perfect I grant you, not even close. Yet time and again we have defended the world against evil, often standing alone against insurmountable odds and triumphing anyway.
My own background is Italian on my mother's side and Irish on my father's, yet I am proud to call myself British.
Britain has done many many bad things throughout history, yet time and time again we have eventually done the right thing, not always for the best reasons, but we always manage to pull through and make things right in the end.
The British Empire is almost unique in history in that it was given up willingly. We gave back what we had taken, despite not having to give up everything. Britain couldn't hold onto to everything, but we could have retained large parts, yet we didn't.
Throughout the Empire's history, although much sufferring was caused by the Empire, it also alleviated much sufferring too. Yes, a lot of the infrastucture was put in place to aid the British in ruling territories, but there was also a great deal done to aid the people's of the lands Britain conquered. Religious freedom for example was maintained throughout the empire, most of the missionaries that went to work in the Empire were not British, but Swedish, Swiss, German, Italian and other nationalities.
Where terrible events were perpetrated by Britain, they were condemned by the British populace and attempts were made (not always successfully) to bring the perpertrators to justice.
We should be ashamed of our past atrocities and theft from nations, but we should be proud that a small island whose people were mongrelised from different nationalities and had no grand ancient culture, went on to rule more than a quarter of the planet and to build an Empire that would allow them to stand in the face of the worst evil mankind has ever seen and, despite being pushed to the brink of total collapse and defeat, to somehow come back from the edge of the abyss and go on to victory, a victory that would guarantee the survival of not only Britain, but of all of humanity. To do that we sacrificed our greatest treasures and the hard won gains we had amassed over more than three centuries, gains that thousands had laid down their lives for. Britain sacrificed everything in WWII so that eventually the US and the USSR could step in and replace her as the world superpower, in doing so Britain lost her Empire and her power, yet she assured that mankind would live to see another day.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 01:53:06
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The thing is though, how many of us would get on a ship to go & fight for Britain, i mean thats when we test our beliefs, i most deffinately would not happily do that.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 02:24:03
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Can't we all just agree that we hate the french?
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Posted: 2003-11-18 02:27:19
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I can honestly say that if the cause was just and Britain was in danger then yes I would fight for my Queen and country. I don't say that lightly to prove a point, I say it becaue I truely believe it.
I most certainly would not join up to go and fight on one of Blair's crime sprees around the world, but if Britain needed me then of course I would fight for her, she has alreaady given me so much, so I would happily fight to make sure that Britain could survive.
P.S. French wine is rather nice, as is there cheese and their food in general, also their clothes and their art, oh and some of their music and their history is interesting too and their culture and the south of France is wonderful, but aprt from that, yeah I hate them as well
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2003-11-18 04:54 ]
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