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I'm not convinced at all that throwing more moderators at this is really the solution and this idea suggests the problem is lack of moderators rather than the level of tolerance of the existing moderators assuming that we are fairly aware of what is going on in Esato
as we know, I am here quite alot and tranquil and GOwin is fairly visible while other moderators may not be posting so much and hence not visible but they are certainly doing their bit so I think there is plent of coverage. Therefore I suggest that the number of moderators is not the question but perhaps the limits of accepability vs freedom of speech that the moderators allow is the question
also its very hard to find reliable, relatively frequent and somewhat knowledgeable members with the right temprement to deal with all situations in a fair and unbiased way which is what laffen must look for when appointing moderators
The time to assign more moderators is when the current moderators can no longer deal with the volume of work required and certainly for the number of complaints I receive and threads I deal with this is not yet the case
I still go back to the statement that Esato is a dynamic and fluid environemnt with a constantly changing membership base where the current moderators do a good job to keep the worst out of Esato while still giving people a reasonable level of freedom to express themselves within fairly acceptable limits.
I'm sure there are quite a few members who would have received warnings from me, for example, about their posting style who could confirm that we do take this issue seriously but perhaps the balance I myself have strived for is a little more liberal that some would perfer?
I do agree that the search could be made better by providing a setting to exclude non mobile related forums and I also agree with some of the other points but I do feel that the thrust of this discussion is that more control is required over threads and I just don't agree that any more moderators or individual forum moderators etc will be effective if they also cause resentment from the members wishing to express their opinion while at the same time not excceeding the limits of forum rules.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 16:44:43
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i'm considerd an oldie here. and in my time i've seen several of these threads. many good points are told here, but sadly hardly any of them is done.
laffen should take some time to think everything over, talk to the mods and some other members and try to restructure esato. alot of the things suggested here could make many members here feel more at home, or back at home.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:01:50
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One thing I'd like some of the funny guys here to know is, people on wap don't apretiate seeing posts of endless smilies that their phone can't display.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:14:50
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@masseur
Valid points, but I must disagree with you in some respects. I really do feel that more moderators would be a good idea. I don't think it is a question of the volume of work, but rather capacity. More moderators would mean more chances to weed out threadjacking; threads going wildly off-topic; utter nonsense, etc. It would allow the implementation of policies to restrict the more stupid posts and threads because there would be more manpower.
More moderators may also allow for an opportunity to try and tackle the 'mob culture' that exists here. I am fed up with seeing conformist hordes jumping on someone because everyone else is! I believe the 'Esato mob' actually has a bit of a reputation amongst other forums!
I suppose I would be something of a 'conservative' here in my wish to see a stricter policy adopted, but I really do think Esato would benefit immensely from a 'clean up'. Why can't we have some of the really old nonsensical threads deleted? Is there a need for them?
I realise that the moderators can only do so much as it is laffen who has the final say on policy decisions, but I would have to agree with bart in asking laffen to perhaps consider some of the points raised here. I am a great beleiver in the saying 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it', but I really do think Esato could do with an overhaul.
I don't really expect many, if any, of my suggestions to be taken up, but they are all relatively easy to implement. Some simple practical measures could go a long way to restoring the balanced and healthy forum that used to be.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-05-22 16:44 ]
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:42:13
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@musta
I agree with you there it takes 4eva to get 2 bottom of page all i can say to this topic is if you don't like the way Esato is well piss off i can see your point scott but tell me have you ever seen a forum that is as old as Esato that dosen't have all the garbage in it xbox is a good example u see about 20 threds asking about the x360 specs when they could all looked & seen there was a sticky stating the specs so no matter what forum u go to u are going to see crap on top of crap
Cheers!!
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:43:10
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On 2005-05-22 17:43:10, lastride wrote:
... all i can say to this topic is if you don't like the way Esato is well piss off ...
A prime example of what is wrong with Esato! Instead of a civil response look what we get! Perhaps some people actually like Esato enough to want to make sure she runs well instead of simply giving up? No offence old boy, but you appear to have been in the door five minutes, perhaps you have been a lurker for longer, but rudeness really is not becoming.
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i can see your point scott but tell me have you ever seen a forum that is as old as Esato that dosen't have all the garbage in it ...
Actually yes I have. If you take a look at
this you will see a forum that is actually a little older than Esato I believe with no where near the levels of tosh that we have here.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-05-22 16:51 ]
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:51:02
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@ scotsboyuk Really. I have nothing personal against you. We are saying the same thing. Personally, I am not suprised at all because this can only the expected when a forum like Esato has grown so much. The way out is for the moderators to be a little stricter with whoever the rules, whatever the rules are. There should be law and other in any civil society. This is my opinion...
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:52:17
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@Aalpha001
Hear! Hear! I quite agree with you old boy.
A firm hand at the tiller is needed.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 17:54:08
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I've been visitng Esato daily since 2001, a member since 2002 and have donated to the site.
In my opinion, the site we helped save a few years back is the same entity as it is today. No fundamental differences at all.
Sure there are more members, sure sentiments sway back and forth (often dictated by the development stages of SE... ie rumour stage, excitment stage, its out stage, bugs then a lull again).
But I can tell you one thing for sure:-
We have had this exact thread many times over the years in different guises. This is nothing knew.
The site has got bigger and fewer members stand out. However, it still remains a place to discover and discuss.
Really, whats all the fuss about???
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Posted: 2005-05-22 18:54:12
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...I would make one further point.
If members insist there is a problem, fell that things really must change - you are going about it all wrong. This whole thread is dedictaed to whY Esato isn't working. Surely, the sensible place to start is to define what it is you wish Esato to be.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 18:59:28
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