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Posted: 2002-12-09 21:12:00
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@laffen
It seems that nobody cares except those 30-40 people who visiting esato. I don't know how can you overcome the financial problem, but if I was the webmaster or owner of esato I would seriously consider charging a membership fee. I do understand your concern of keeping this site free, but you already know that nothing in this life is free. I know, that at the present time you have many options, thoughts, different opinions etc, thus I am not proposing anything, just say my opinion and I think membership fee is fair enough. Finally the decision will be yours and I hope to be the best for this site and for us.
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Posted: 2002-12-09 21:18:00
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I think a membership fee will push a lot of users to other free sites even though they might not be as good as Esato. If there is no cash rolling in I think the best option would be to sell Esato to someone who will keep it running in its current stage with probably some banners added. As we have seen, banners are inevitable if no corporate sponsor will step forward. As I personally know one of the companies who given offers I do have faith in that a new owner will run the site just as good.
However, let's keep donating cash to Esato until Laffen finds the best solution for the community.
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Posted: 2002-12-09 23:11:00
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Regarding the SE letter - Well intentioned, but as I've said before - its all about getting to the right decision maker. Obviously anyone replying from Customer Care is not going to be able to help. The PR department, however, might - think about it, a department with a budget solely aimed at promoting the brand.
Also, its got to come from Laffen (they won't respond positively from unofficial sources) and be in a format that someone can take seriously. A short plea for help tells them nothing and leaves them no basis to judge the propositions likely Return on Investment.
No, don't email all at once - what that going to do except get someone's back up.
...so Laffen, the donations are beginning to slow. Maybe time to implememt some of the ideas that've been suggested?... (Quiz, Raffle, Higher Profile etc...)
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Posted: 2002-12-10 00:25:00
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Hey guys,
I know I'm hardly one of the earliest members of this forum, and far from the most posted, heck, I haven't even had a SE phone since the A1018, so ignore me if you feel you know better but......
although I do agree that short term, digging into your pockets, is the most sensible way to keep Esato alive (as you'll see from my earlier post in this thread, I'm currently in the worst financial situation that I've ever been in, but still found $20 worth donating to keep such a wide source of information live), lets face it how much do those of us that enjoy a bit of a tipple spend down the pub during a week/month. One thing I don't think will sway SE into helping the situation, although I know it has all been with good intentions, is sending off the same kind of e-mails, and doing what to them will seem as wasting their time. If you wish SE to help with funding (although i don't feel hard cash is what should be requested) giving them information that they already know will not help a bit, and if they do consider funding this site in any way, they will do research, I don't feel that insulting, threatening or just plain childish anti-SE posts will help one dime.
Also in an earlier post in reply to an e-mail one member sent to SE, (I think it was Freeeeak!), SE stated that they could not help as Esato was not part of the SE Organization. I know this would be a very large risk, and even if SE did agree, many meetings and many legal drafts would have to be given a serious going over before giving an answer, has anyone considered whether SE would make Esato part of the SE Organization? Obviously using their servers and connection, but apart from toning down the language and removing all anti-SE or unconstructive posts, keeping the site in (nearly) total control of yourself (Laffen)!! They could ask people to refer to the forum for any hardware/software problems before getting involved with it themselves or the phone being taken to a service station (I swear half of the people on here know more out about their phones than they do anyway), this would save them both time (which we all know is money), and the hard cash itself, I mean how much must SE spend on sorting problems that are answered in this forum every year, thousands, tens of thousands? Although the free logo's and ringtones etc. are probably not their preference. They might take a well thought out business plan a little more seriously than just well wishing e-mails.
sorry to bore you but just one last thing (I think Laffen would agree with me here), although making Esato a pay site if a great way to keep this site alive, I feel that it would totally change the site for the worst, not only the fact that this site is based around the fact that it's a FREE source of information, but how many of you, not knowing what you know now, would've paid to join this site? I wouldn't have, I'd pay a fair amount now but no matter what word of mouth is, I'd NEVER pay to view a site that I haven't already seen ALL the content.
I may be wrong with every idea here, I'm a business man, nothing more, nothing less.
We all have to make risks, and choices when we do not know the outcome, we would all deal with situations differently.
Please don't flame me for any comments, like all of you (ignoring Hulk Hogan: +447919075438 lol!!) I am just trying to provide productive criticism
Hope this information is not taken with a pinch of salt
Regards to you all
Jamie Scott
(edits mostly typos*)
[ This Message was edited by: jamiescott on 2002-12-10 01:06 ]
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Posted: 2002-12-10 01:59:00
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Jamiescott
I agree with much of what you say BUT lets forget this notion of SE purchasing Esato because in some way it might help their existing customers (i.e. sourcing info). SE can hardly direct people to Esato for help - they'd look like fools. They have to post official info on their own site.
No, the only reason SE would be interested in Esato is as an independent entity that might encourage future sales (i.e. through their products being discussed in the forums and by direct banner type advertising). There is no value in incorporating it into the whole.
Personally, I think SE is a complete red herring - its good for perhaps banner advertising or donating a P800 to be used as a prize in a raffle/quiz... that's all. If anything, I would have thought a top mobile phone/gadget magazine would be a better bet than SE, as it would help boost subscriptions/readership.
...But I agree with everything else you said!
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Posted: 2002-12-10 02:30:00
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im a new member forgive me if this seems harsh. dont mean to offend anyone. it seems to me that most of the people who give a shit about this site are newish members. look at the list bellow taken straight from the memberslist.
the members list tells us that:
1 mhorton Watford - UK Jan 13, 2002 3812
2 GOwin [classified] Jan 17, 2002 3306
3 arnoldc Philippines Dec 14, 2001 2825
4 ejasim Sharjah, UAE Nov 30, 2001 2602
5 evoke Manchester - UK Mar 05, 2002 2565
6 619 if you dont like my posts, IGNORE it. Jun 19, 2002 2482
7 john74 GREECE/AUSTRALIA Dec 21, 2001 2454
8 orang3 Never_never_Land Mar 28, 2002 2320
9 dan47 the moment i saw you cry Feb 14, 2002 2222
10 Cytech Stockholm, Sweden Feb 19, 2002 2135
11 jh67 denmark Nov 30, 2001 1983
12 chrisgray999 Sussex, UK Jun 18, 2002 1784
13 arroyootje living in Antwerp, Belgium Feb 01, 2002 1659
14 ferrarista44 Pilipinas Jan 30, 2002 1578
15 mrNoodles Sweden Feb 28, 2002 1472
16 n|ck_xp Greece/Rhodes Feb 16, 2002 1352
17 Deltayoda Reims, France Mar 03, 2002 1270
18 MixiN Notts, UK Jan 26, 2002 1174
19 pogie alabang-zapote rd Apr 01, 2002 1153
20 Eleventy7 KevvyMagic™ Towers Jul 05, 2002 1120
21 laffen Oslo, Norway Aug 07, 2001 1106
22 bonito99 The Philippine Islands May 07, 2002 1084
23 bart belgium Feb 03, 2002 1032
24 sanjeevjaya Earth Jul 01, 2002 993
25 Epedemic Denmark, Copenhagen Dec 28, 2001 899
26 lor Planet Bob Mar 07, 2002 888
27 tranquil Oslo, Norway Dec 15, 2001 882
28 decoy7 NW London Feb 06, 2002 877
29 dlreyes Philippines Apr 17, 2002 843
30 Jowi Salcedo Vill & Rockwell Makati Feb 21, 2002 791
now i know that many/some of these people have donated- but many havent. now i dont want to offend anyone personally, but when30 people post over 30,000 posts, when the total number of posts is 189,701 (about) it seems funny to me that so few people give a shit about the sites survival-well financially anyway .
now i know that the number of posts means nothing, there are people who dont comment in the discussions forum, but see my point- it seems funny to me as a brand new member that the main discussion is not led by the people who actually use the site.
please dont reply giving individual examples- i dont really care if @suchandsuch had donated x-amount and posted so many times- it s the point im putting across... just trying to promote discussion...
would be interested in what the newish members think about this?
[i know laffen is on the list as well- think we are all agreed he does a splendid job- my rant is not aimed at you]
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Posted: 2002-12-10 04:08:00
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John (Wookee), all i can say to your comment is that you're quite uninformed. Since you're a newbie i understand what you're trying to get across though.
[ This Message was edited by: arnoldc on 2002-12-10 07:24 ]
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Posted: 2002-12-10 07:15:00
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I sent 50$ yesterday. I think esato is worth it !
Remember:
You can have it done good.
You can have it done fast.
You can have it done cheap.
-> Please choose any two!
Cheers
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Posted: 2002-12-10 09:55:00
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arnoldc - I'm interested as to why you think Wookee's comments are uninformed. Seems a pretty reasonable arguement to me - i.e. that you would expect to find some kind of correlation between those who donate and those who are known to use the site the most.
Of course, Wookee doesn't prove that the correlation does not exist, merely suggests it. BUT i for one would have expected the majority of the people who have posted so many times to have donated (even if only a small amount) - nothing outragous in that, is there?
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Posted: 2002-12-10 10:28:00
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