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I am not for or against avmaxfan but exactly my thoughts.



People would laugh off eldar but NOW they take him seriously, riiight. I'm just gonna listen to everybody talk and WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT then we can talk and start bashing if needed.

thanks to avmaxfan though for bringing a little life to this rumors thread, it may be true, it may be a lie but still, thanks avmaxfan. from 1000+ pages from the 2007 rumors thread, to 200 this year, still, i considered the 200 pages worth of rumors to be really fun and I'm looking forward to a bright SE future.

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Posted: 2010-11-16 06:02:41
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this thread is becoming more like argument thread than rumour one!
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Posted: 2010-11-16 06:28:55
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I believe in avmax cause if the others are right, I have no other choice but to move to Samsung and I don't want that to happen.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 07:14:46
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I believe in avmax cause if the others are right, I have no other choice but to move to Samsung and I don't want that to happen.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 07:21:03
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I think it's highly unlikely even for to release a refresh (not true successor) to its flagship with roughly the same specs more that 12 months after its release.

If X12 was just a refresh ala T68m -> T68i; T300 -> T310; T610 -> T630; W800 -> W810; K800 -> K810; K850 -> C902
It should have already been selling for 2-3 months now. Otherwise this is just a suicide for .

All refresh phones I mentioned above were released no later than 7 months after the release of the phone they replace
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Posted: 2010-11-16 09:19:45
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How about X1 -> X2?

Thats 13 months.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 09:58:40
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Maybe because of what you just said? There is no mid range best seller. Whats the point in going into high range if there isn't a chance of making it to the top?

By mentioning and finding spec I wouldnt call saying all possible configurations and hoping one of them is half correct.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 10:09:01
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In business there is always one thing you need to be sure of and that is "feasibility". Before launching any product you need to find out if it is feasible or not.

And Lollylost, what are you trying to say? That Samsung, HTC, and others who are making great high end phones are incapable at making good mid range Androids ? And that will work some magic and sell a huge number of low/mid end Android phones when all the other bigger and better at Android companies have not been able to ?

The X10 was fairly successful in the high end, at least a lot more successful than would have expected even with so many drawbacks. Then why would the be so stupid and think " Hey! Lets make low/mid Androids, so what if all the others are not making much money in this category, we can work our magic and make billions " !!!!!!!!!!!!

Android is all about the high end. The mid/low end Android market is limited at best. All the Android phone makers make millions on their high end flagship phones NOT mid end. Sure mid end phones add to profits but they are NOT the actual cash cow.

And "IF" as you are saying, the mid/low end Android market was so huge that SE could make lots of money then why did not the other Android makers follow this strategy ? Moto, HTC, Samsung are definitely much better and experienced "Android" vendors than .

Are they idiots then to concentrate on high end if the mid/low end market was so lucrative ?

And please. Do not give the example of X1 and X2. We all know about how sad WM 6 was. And it was not as if the X2 was a generation behind its WM6 competitors. And the segment was not even half as competitive as Android is today.

All I'm saying is SE knows that they can survive with good high end phones (not just SE but every single Android maker) and NOT by selling dozens of low/mid Android phones.

Android is a direct competitor to iOS and WP7 and both of these OSes are "premium high end phone OS". And so is Android primarily. Period.

P.S. I am not questioning the credibility of Eldar, or the other "insiders" but just asking you a simple question. Do you think will make such a stupid decision and dig their own grave after straight 3 quarters of profit and so much cost cutting and efforts ?

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Posted: 2010-11-16 10:39:30
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@lolli
I could not disagree more. Don't you people get it that there will never be a low-end/mid-end Android top seller because Android is an open source OS. Anyone company could make an Android phone if they wanted to; thus, giving people wide array of phones to choose from. As a result, an even more tougher competition among Android phone makers.
The only way to the top is through making high-end Android phones.

It is not only the competition from other Android phone makers that SE should think about but also from WM7 and iOS devices which are all high-end. WM7 was announced last month along with several devices which are now available and more to come in the coming months. Although the IOS market share has been stagnant, still iPhone 4 must not be counted out. It is the most sought after smartphone of the year and it is still hard to get one today because of limited availablity. Yes, Android OS market share is growing really fast but then again, these two other manufacturers should not be left out.

Beside, top manufacturers are competing to get a big market share in the US (the biggest). Do you think a plethora of low-end/high-end devices from would be the best strategic solution? Nu-uh. Maybe if SE wants to go bankrupt.

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Posted: 2010-11-16 10:52:23
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me too if no cutting edge phone comes out off any time soon i might buy a iphone 4 but i hope really has something for us. Like i said before lets wait fotr the OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT from then we'll really know for our sake i hope it will be a good one
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Posted: 2010-11-16 10:53:28
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