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On 2014-04-22 17:40:32, DexterMoser wrote:
There's no information about the sensor at the moment. I hope it's at least 1/2"
It will be hard to fit the optics for that in such a thin body.. they will have to start going into humps and we all know how much we hate those
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Posted: 2014-04-22 18:38:25
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There is already an article posted with a document that pretty much confirms that sony is developing a 21MP 1/2.4" camera sensor dedicated for Q4 sony smartphone only:
http://appleinsider.com/artic[....]el-horserace-with-2014-iphones
so stop hoping for something that doesn't exist... seems reliable enough to me.
i would like if anyone experienced with camera optics can explain what benefits can this kind of sensor bring over the bigger Z2 sensor. i know that the bigger the sensor - the better the picture quality, less noise, etc. is it always the case?[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-04-22 19:01 ]
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Posted: 2014-04-22 19:48:35
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On 2014-04-22 18:38:25, cu015170 wrote
On 2014-04-22 17:40:32, DexterMoser wrote:
There's no information about the sensor at the moment. I hope it's at least 1/2"
It will be hard to fit the optics for that in such a thin body.. they will have to start going into humps and we all know how much we hate those
I wouldn't really mind humps. Design follows function not the other way around. The only thing that bugs me considering the Nokia 808/1020(examples for big humps) is not the hump, it's the lack of high end specs (except camera).
I mean I have the S4 which indeed has a hump and I indeed don't like it because it doesn't lay horizontal on the table, BUT I would use a case anyway which makes the back even. Therefore I don't mind humps.
@jjjajjj:
Yes you're right it was 21MP on a slightly smaller sensor.
But the question remains why would Sony make a 24MP sensor with OIS and f1.8 for an other manufacturer but use "just" a 21MP sensor for its upcoming flagship.
@amirprog:
But that sensor does exist!
These teasers were published by Vivo.
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Posted: 2014-04-22 20:55:07
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maybe the rumor is wrong after all
"for me" it doesn't make sense to go from 20MP (Z1/compact/Z2) to just 21MP ( marketing wise )
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Posted: 2014-04-22 21:13:07
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@DexterMoser
Yes, you are right, that sensor does exist, and i noticed that already. what i meant to write is that the rumored sensor that is dedicated to the next sony device is the one i linked to. that rumored vivo sensor is not rumored to be in the sony device. plus, notice that the sensors that sony is using for the Z flagships are exclusive to sony. do you understand me now? so vivo sensor is irrelevant to this sony devices rumor thread. i ask the same question as you.
@jjjajjj
well, i base my words on that article. you base your words only on your opinion. i respect your opinion though.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-04-22 20:34 ]
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Posted: 2014-04-22 21:32:49
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On 2014-04-22 21:32:49, amirprog wrote:
@DexterMoser
[...] that rumored vivo sensor is not rumored to be in the sony device. plus, notice that the sensors that sony is using for the Z flagships are exclusive to sony. do you understand me now? so vivo sensor is irrelevant to this sony devices rumor thread. i ask the same question as you. [...]
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-04-22 20:34 ]
The sensor is not a Vivo sensor, it's a Sony sensor.
That's why I posted it.
Does make sense to post news about a newer and presumably better mobile camera sensor manufactered by Sony in the Sony Xperia Rumor thread, doesnt it?
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Posted: 2014-04-22 21:54:51
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@DexterMoser
Fellow, you're taking my words and distorting them. i KNOW that the rumored vivo sensor is a sony sensor. come on, we're intelligent enough to understand that. didn't i make myself clear enough to you? i would like to think my English writing is clear enough. but no problem, i guess you still don't understand. i try to explain but i failed.
i don't think it should be forbidden to talk here about sony sensors BUT this thread talks about future xperia devices. i reasonably explained myself why i think that vivo sensor (obviously a sony sensor, duh!) won't be included in sony flagships. read again my previous post if you fail to understand.
i respect your opinion thuogh.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-04-22 21:19 ]
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Posted: 2014-04-22 22:18:22
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On 2014-04-22 19:48:35, amirprog wrote:
i would like if anyone experienced with camera optics can explain what benefits can this kind of sensor bring over the bigger Z2 sensor. i know that the bigger the sensor - the better the picture quality, less noise, etc. is it always the case?
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-04-22 19:01 ]
Its all relative.. too many variables. Sensor technology has come a long way, but at the same time not much has changed.. I know that it sounds contradicting but if you think about it.. its true.
In this case the difference is way too small to have noticeable effect on IQ.. they can compensate with better light capturing methods, optics, and jpeg processing. The SoCs in the new phones have very powerful DSPs which allow for great post processing.. its not 2010 anymore where they needed to do all kinds of crazy hardware modes to get decent PP.
So there are incremental improvements all the time, but you can always spot the difference when they go up in size for the sensor.. look at the GS5, 1520, Z2 .. they are all leaving the 1/3" iPhone 5s behind because they have a larger sensor.
On 2014-04-22 20:55:07, DexterMoser wrote:
I wouldn't really mind humps. Design follows function not the other way around. The only thing that bugs me considering the Nokia 808/1020(examples for big humps) is not the hump, it's the lack of high end specs (except camera).
I mean I have the S4 which indeed has a hump and I indeed don't like it because it doesn't lay horizontal on the table, BUT I would use a case anyway which makes the back even. Therefore I don't mind humps.
The hump on the S4 is tiny compared to what Nokias ..
I think it can be done much better in terms of how the hump flows into the body.. it can be more seamless, unless they start using it to connect other lenses and filters.. then it would continue to appear out of place.
I doubt that Sony would go that route .. they are probably going to wait for newer sensor tech that doesn't require that much volume to produce better IQ.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-04-22 21:27 ]
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Posted: 2014-04-22 22:26:04
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Maybe if they go with an Arc-like design for the Z3, they can mask the added thickness at the top of the phone with the thicker part of the arc?
Still chillin' here with the Z Ultra and loving the big screen. I really hope Sony shows some big love to the Ultra series and gives it some proper features.
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Posted: 2014-04-23 05:09:42
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Has anyone else got the new update for the Walkman app? I can't find the visualizer, or they removed it.
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Posted: 2014-04-23 05:35:16
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