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On 2008-08-19 08:10:33, max_wedge wrote:
On 2008-08-19 04:47:25, carkitter wrote:
Frustratingly for us, manufacturers work hard to avoid the dead zone with most of thier products; SE have made an art of it!
unfortunately you are very right there. As I've said before, I think this is good business on SE's part, but not so good for us dead zone customers.
I don't begrudge SE this, especially since I don't think Nokia are doing much better either.
My personal view is that as operator's loosen up the purse strings on data costs, dead zone devices will become more broadly appealing. Then everyone will want to be able to do all or a large subset of the following: send emails with 2mb attachments without being restrained on cost, browse full websites, download applications and music and videos, access ftp servers, use vpn to access work servers, maintain social networking and media sites such as flickr, access database servers, etc etc.
So I do think the dead zone will diminish as data costs reduce. I don't think Mace believed this was the case, because he doesn't believe operators will give up trying to value add to their networks, but personally I strongly believe data use will not be seriously taken up by consumers until it is cheap or just part of the service. In the long run, operators will HAVE to virtually give it away simply as a way to keep customers from moving to the competition. At that point the cost (the realistic cost not the inflated cost we have now) will simply be incorporated into standard phone plans.
Of course there will be limits, and large data plans will always be separately costed, but the average user will be able to do their music downloads, work vpn connections etc all within their standard plans.
Then and only then will OEM's start to really compete on the AIO front.
We are currently in the starting phase of this movement, and that's why we are starting to see more competition on the AIO front, and why SE have developed the X1 (and why Nokia are developing the touchscreen at last)
What constitute an AIO depends on which angle you look.
At this stage (for most people anyway), an AIO is a phone with great camera, music player, multimedia, email, web and maybe gps. I highly doubt a qwerty or a touchscreen are over-riding factors in determining an AIO.
I always have the inklings that qwerty is desired only by the above 30's generation who has not gone thru the messaging craze like the situation now. For youngsters (or those young at heart) nowadays, I bet many can type faster with T9 than thumbing with a qwerty or scribbling with a stylus.
Touchscreen has not really taken off until Iphone. But it is too early to tell whether it can be sustained. It may just be like the passing craze that was when the first touch PDA came out.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:04:12
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The table says the X1 is 150 euro cheaper but it could be a typo as the text near the end says the HTC is 100 euro cheaper and available now not Feb (maybe) like the X1. This is probably what infuenced the decision in what is "not a review but a collection of thoughts...".
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:16:57
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The smape reviews are some of the most ill informed reviews I have read. He mentions the X1 does'nt have hardware acceleration, anyone who is supposedly involved in the industry would know that
VGA@30fps video recording would not be possible without hardware acceleration. As well as playback.
The X1 having better specs than the Pro is not completely true though. One gains where the other looses and vice versa.
The pricing of the X1 is out? I think the X1 will be a bit more expensive than the Pro. The Pro has released and ususally for the first month it will have a premium price should stabilize at about 400 pounds while the X1 should be a bit more expensive, better materials used.
@mib
I really doubt the iPhone has brought about a touch craze, the market was heading towards touch oriented phones anyway. If you notice the HTC Touch launched before the iPhone and the development cycle of a phone is generall 1.5-2 yrs. So basically other manufacturers were already thinking along the lines of having mainstream touch oriented phones. No doubt the iPhone has accelerated demand for touch screens, but it by no means created the demand. Several users bought UIQ over S60 and still do because of the touch screen, these users I'm sure have bought it out of personal requirement rather than buying it 'cause the iPhone is touch based lol
imo an All in one device will cater to different input needs as well, not just the usual cam, multimedia etc. A touch screen is a must as well as a hardware qwerty keyboard. The ultimate all in one device must be more like a pocketable computer.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:19:27
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@WhyBe
Do you really have that much trouble reading clearly that is the information for the X1 as taken from the SE white paper with the X1a differences highlighted below it.
We have discussed this many times before and it was only due to se dude posting complete and utter rubbish that it needed clarifying once again.
Very true no one is standing in line for an E90 as we have been able to buy and use them for over a Year and very happily at that. It may not be a device for you but for many of us it is as good as it gets for now and has served me perfectly for over 8 months. Hopefully soon you will get your X1 in the real world and we can all see just how well that performs compared to your expectations.
@Nightblade
Every where but in the comparison chart it says the X1 is the more expensive and that seems to be the case at most resellers to. With confirmed prices of the Touch Pro being lower than the expected selling price of the X1.
That was a good article and it seems there really isn't much to choose between the two devices with a couple of positives to each device over it's rival. The only thing being people can and are buying the Touch Pro now as opposed to still waiting for the X1. I also wonder just how many will value the Keyboard above other features when making there decision, but by this time next year we will see which sold more and was more successful.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:32:18
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question... when does
or some other company starts to use Nvidia mobile GPU ???? (or is it allready there ??)
im also a HUGH Nvidia fan ...he he
((OC.ing & tweaking my Nvidia cards is a dear hobby
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-08-19 10:37 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:35:10
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:37:25
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ok. that i didnt know... but im more talking about some serious hardcore Nvidia GPU chips...someone ???
(example, small laptop capacity)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-08-19 10:40 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:39:22
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@mib, you are in the communication and entertainment categories but not the information category (re the Mace article carkitter referenced). Hence an AIO for you doesn't fall into the dead zone and includes any old non-qwerty non-touchscreen device. It's still an AIO, but not in terms of the dead zone that Mace talks about.
You write off the whole "information" class of user as old fuddy duddies clinging desparately to the touchscreen, but here's the thing:
1. Even if it's only us oldies, we have 20-30 years (I'm 40, not 70) or more of active participation in the gadget market still left in us. AND our number are growing as a percentage of the population. And we often have better disposable income than the young people who generally dominate the entertainment and communication categories. So it would be quite short sighted of manufacturers to ignore this group. It is not a fading market segment by any means
2. But as it happens it's not only us oldies. There is also a strong element in the youth population who are interested in touchscreens. iPhone demonstrates this. Now it's up to manufacturers to inject some life back into the touchscreen interface (or lose marketshare to Apple)
3. There are young people interested in the information segment also, it's not only middle aged business men who want to be able to type on a device with a keyboard (real or virtual). It's one thing to write a large text message using T9, another thing to write a 5 page report while sitting on the train. For the latter a qwerty of some kind is considerable more useful and less demanding, especially for people reared on computer keyboards (including most young adults today, who learnt to use a keyboard well before they had their own phone)
4. Your view that the only sensible way to interface with a mobile device is to thumb madly backwards and forwards pressing buttons one handed is only one of a range of preferred interface methods. You seem to believe your preferences are representative of the majority of mobile device users but I'm sorry to tell you this is not the case
Your view is a common one, but not the majority. It is just one of a range of diverse interface preferences.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:39:28
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On 2008-08-19 11:04:12, mib1800 wrote:
What constitute an AIO depends on which angle you look.
At this stage (for most people anyway), an AIO is a phone with great camera, music player, multimedia, email, web and maybe gps. I highly doubt a qwerty or a touchscreen are over-riding factors in determining an AIO.
Cam, music, mm = Entertainment
email, web, gps = Communication
TS or Qwerty usually signal an Information Management device.
Add these to the above and you have an AIO. Otherwise you have a common or garden smartphone.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:40:43
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On 2008-08-19 11:39:22, plankgatan wrote:
ok. that i didnt know... but im more talking about some serious hardcore Nvidia GPU chips...someone ???
(example, small laptop capacity)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-08-19 10:40 ]
Nvidia are no longer going to produce mobile GPUs but the entire processor. The Nvidia processor that will launch on WM phones next years is the APX2500. Its got some impressive specs, a search on google should get you some results.
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Posted: 2008-08-19 11:41:45
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