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end of the day smoke DOES damage your health and everyone else around you and as a none smoker ( i used to smoke ) i have the right to go out drinking and not come home stinking of smoke and have it damage my health at the same time. It is a filthy habit and most smokers agree with that. the choice to smoke has not been taken away from you its just you cant do it where ever you want now. Its catch 22 its your choice to smoke and its mine not to. was it not proved that roy castle died of lung cancer caused by passive smoking in smoky clubs where he played the trumpet?
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Posted: 2007-07-18 14:58:21
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was it not proved that roy castle died of lung cancer caused by passive smoking in smoky clubs where he played the trumpet?
No, it was never proved. I'm not saying that passive smoking doesn't exist or is not a real danger, but no death from lung cancer has ever been conclusively proved to have been caused directly from passive smoking.
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Posted: 2007-07-18 15:13:55
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how many people die from alcohol related diseases, and then how many people are killed from secondary alcohol - the ones run down by drunk drivers etc?
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Posted: 2007-07-18 15:33:20
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I bet if mobile phone masks gave off a slight smell and every now and then, produced a greenish haze but the same heath risks remained, we wouldn’t have them.
Seems to me most people who are in favour of this ban favour it because they don’t come home smelling of smoke and the “heath risk” is an after thought.
Re: Roy Castle, it maybe that passive smoking caused his death or it may not be the case there’s no proof either way.
You could put a new born baby in a bubble feed it the most pure air all its life and it could still develop lung cancer.
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Posted: 2007-07-18 16:05:15
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all good points but all of this is sadly ignored.
house of commons bar. you can still smoke there.
but most non smokers wouldnt care about that anyway!!!
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Posted: 2007-07-19 10:45:18
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On 2007-07-19 10:45:18, batesie wrote:
all good points but all of this is sadly ignored.
house of commons bar. you can still smoke there.
but most non smokers wouldnt care about that anyway!!!
Wasn't it on the news last week that it has also been banned?
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Posted: 2007-07-19 10:46:34
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On 2007-07-17 19:43:41, mweb6161 wrote:
Maybe they are not accomodating smokers to ANY degree scots, this is ultimatly a health issue NOT a matter of personal liberties.
Allowing you lot to puff yourselves to death in some dank, fog ridden little room is not going to relieve the pressure on the NHS or the damage you cause to yourselves in the long term.
Heres my crumb of comfort though, seeing as smokers pay so much in tax i believe you all ought to get anti-smoking remedies FREE on prescription or free psychiatric counselling for those dumb enough NOT to want to give it up
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I disagree. Fatty foods are a health risk and they put strain on the NHS through people developing heart disease and so on. We don't ban fatty foods do we? Alcohol is a health risk as it can cause liver damage, again putting strain on the NHS. Alcohol is allowed to be consumed. Cars are a health risk since they emit pollution and have the potential to kill or seriously injure should there be an accident. That puts pressure on the NHS and we don't ban cars. Too much salt in food can be a health risk, but we don't regulate the amount of salt people are allowed to put in their meals.
There are lots of things that can harm us, but are we to regulate and ban them all? I say no! We are individuals capable of reasoning for ourselves. I'm not going to tell someone who likes skydiving he can't do it because there is a risk he might be killed or injured, it's his personal choice if he knows the risks involved.
Smoking has the potential to damage the health of others and I take that on board. If we had dedicated smoking clubs or rooms then people would be aware of the risks involved and they could choose to work in or attend such places themselves. The government should not be telling us how to live our lives.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2007-07-20 04:09 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-20 04:52:12
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On 2007-07-18 14:58:21, Adz21 wrote:
end of the day smoke DOES damage your health and everyone else around you and as a none smoker ( i used to smoke ) i have the right to go out drinking and not come home stinking of smoke and have it damage my health at the same time.
Of course you have that right, just as I have the right to go out and socialise and smoke (a right which I am currently being denied). Allow dedicated smoking clubs/rooms and the problem is solved. If you want to work in such a place you will know the risks and can make the choice to do so or not. Equally if you wish to attend one you will know the risks and can make the choice yourself.
It is a filthy habit and most smokers agree with that.
Personally I don't agree with that.
I enjoy a cigar after a nice meal and it rounds the meal of wonderfully. I enjoy the ritual of cutting and lighting the cigar. I enjoy matching cigars with drinks to enhance the flavour of each. I enjoy the relaxation it brings to me. I also enjoy collecting cigars and comparing them.
I also smoke a pipe (yes I do behave like an old geezer) and again I find it most relaxing. I used to live in the country and one of my favourite past times was to take the dog for a walk in the hills behind the house, find a nice spot to park myself down and enjoy a quiet and relaxing smoke, whilst appreciating the stunning scenery that surrounded me (it also deterred midges!). You can see pictures here (including a picture of the dog, her name is Meg, and one of my pipes)
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here. I enjoy the ritual of filling and packing my pipe; the lighting and the quiet contentment that brings to me.
the choice to smoke has not been taken away from you its just you cant do it where ever you want now. Its catch 22 its your choice to smoke and its mine not to.
What that amounts to is the will of the majority forcing itself upon the will of the minority. I am all for respecting democratic decisions, but at the same time we should also strive to respect the wishes and rights of the minority where possible and there is a possible way of doing so in this case; namely smoking clubs/establishments.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2007-07-20 04:05 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-20 05:03:55
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@scotsboyuk - nicely put. Theres is nothing wrong with a nice cigar. People forget the importance of ritual in ones life.
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Posted: 2007-07-20 05:29:21
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Hear hear! Huzzah, pip pip, razzle razzle and all that! Up the cigars!
Whilst I'm here I think I shall have a jolly good pop at something that is rather annoying. I imagine most smokers will have encountered the wavy hand brigade at some point. Rather than simply ask you if you mind not smoking or saying that they have a problem with it the wavy hand brigade will wave their hands in front of their faces whilst contorting their faces as if they were taking part in a gurning competition. What is even more remarkable is that they will make these gestures even if one has just lit one's cigar or pipe or cigarette and they are sitting at the other side of a large room; one imagines they must have the olfactory capability of a bloodhound!
Why exactly do people do this? Why do they not just ask one if one would mind not smoking? Do they think that the more melodramatic they become the greater the chance that the offending tobacco product will somehow extinguish itself? Do they perhaps think that engaging in theatrics so over acted that they make William Shatner look like Sir Laurence Olivier that they will somehow draw sympathy from the room and the awful smoker will repent his foul ways and immediately summon an ashtray to put the cigar to rest?
If someone asks you why you smoke a good answer would be because it allows you to cope with non-smokers!
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2007-07-20 14:59 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-20 15:19:13
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