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there are apps like messaging and contacts that still take a little while even if loaded on RAM...that is the real test for the g900...its not too unbearable on the P1/etc, but exists on these apps. All other apps are pretty much instant when loaded on RAM...and if RAM is there, i just use it, and have all the necessary stuff running all day
also...remember the inital problems with the P990 and its terrible lack of RAM gave UIQ3 some bad rep, that still haunts the other phones...and that is some people always refer to it being slugish - but for the moment you have lots of RAM, that is not really an issue, although a more powerfull processor will always bring more
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Posted: 2008-02-15 14:05:36
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Frankly, I don't think it's a matter of whether or not HSDPA users are in the "niche" market, because 1 phone to satisfy 1 type of market is very much achievable for a manufacturer as big as SE to maintain a following among its users since it is after all good and sensible marketing. If that's the case, why have it in X1 at all? Don't tell me SE has calculated that by the time X1 is out HSDPA would be up in all its glory and viable for the masses. I have to say again we're not expecting all SE phones to have HSDPA. I just think it started off from lack of vision followed by bad planning, slow development of UIQ3 and the desperation to finish off whatever that's left of the old hardware from the 1st generation UIQ3 devices that has caused this weird lag. I think this deciding factor stands true for many.
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On 2008-02-15 13:42:07, hansen wrote:
But then what's the fuss about uiq being sluggish? Used that way apps are opening instantly, right? To my knowledge the only lagging takes place when starting up applications. RAM would then set the limit of possible number of open applications.
It's not instant. But we're talking about comfortably switching between large office documents, web, calendar and mail and so on, so it's not a problem with speed on the unit as such.
But as ares says, there are pauses when opening the messager- app. And.. most notably the apps made by SE, which are bundled on the phone, and which are in some respects irreplaceable.. they suffer a bit. It's perhaps three- four seconds when opening for a new sms, and something similar when opening an incoming message, for example. Then, another two seconds to open the contacts from the mail- app. And it flips through a few screens before getting there, and it flickers - it's presumably running some sort of script that involves displaying the lists, and then opening the message in the list, etc. And on the contacts, it continually displays the updated selections in the viewport or something, instead of just creating a new list and then displaying that at full speed. And that feels unecessarily sluggish. Imo, it feels unfinished. Like the kind of thing you would make when you care only about the deadline. And least of all about how useful the program is, or how fast it is..
And the program suite that comes with the phone suffers from things like that. Small weaknesses that just shouldn't be there. Obviously, it's also in SE's power to fix it - to revisit some of their solutions, and understand that they're sabotaging their own sales by just ditching the entire thing and holding desperately on to the "fixing only the bugs" policy.
But they won't do anything about it. In fact, they won't even consider putting in some functions like a more convenient way to move and delete imap messages from the list- view. Or, as we've seen, they have no interest in actually talking to their users.
So obviously - that the phone is sluggish is a problem, and it shouldn't be that way, and it evidently shouldn't stay that way until the next phone (or even between the phones, like with the p990 and the p1).
Does that mean the phone is slow in general, and that programs written for UIQ is generally slower than those written for s60 or wm for example? No. In fact, on actual usage - when you don't have to close and open programs all the time - which you do on s60 - it works quicker, and is more efficient. But does that mean it's perfect, or even as good as it could reasonably be expected to be? Absolutely not.
Of course - does that mean hordes of people go and sign their favourite feature request in the wiki, or go sign the open letter? Apparently not. So it can't be that bad after all, it seems..
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Posted: 2008-02-15 16:32:12
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@Max_Wedge; Man you've been plenty busy lately, its not often you post on the forums of late. Good to see you're still active. As a question regarding your latest phone; maybe via PM.
On 2008-02-12 10:57:36, laffen wrote:
I had a chat with the product manager of the G900 / G700 today. He could tell me that the G900 has 8 GB internaly memory, but this could change before the lauch. This is not official from Sony Ericsson and that is why you can't fin the information anywhere.
Here is the comparison photo of the G900 and P1i:
[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2008-02-12 10:48 ]
@Laffen; many thanks for the beautiful comparison photo.
SO you DO get to speak with SE Product managers! As a side question off-topic but helpful in any of current or future things of SE, would it be possible to work with product managers in a questions and answers (product intellectual property secrets aside) thread on released/upcoming products, or for newer products a thread much like the multiple firmware related threads for bug reports (beginning off not only current firmwares and bug fixes focused on but ALSO what the goal of the product is so there are no CRAZY superphone expectations?) hmm?
On-Topic comments.
Laffen is it me or does the keypad from the G900 look exactly/similar to the K800/750i keypad? Also is the tactile feedback identical?
I'm beginning to love the side scrolling menu layout and also the familar SE A100/200 platform for the 9 Menu listing shortcuts.
Why didn't SE allow for a Quadband GSM/GPRS/EDGE and also UMTS (not HSDPA) for this product for a larger product sales release; since this is a new product segment?? It would affect sales of the P1i - it doesn't have quadband gsm either; but it seems the G-series was to have a larger market appeal?
Most important question. Is SE going to have plans for a larger North & South American presence in the future smartphone market = UIQ Platform to fight Nokia new S60 N/S American market initiative??!!!
This product design and implementation would be PERFECT for North & South American markets. TO have a sleek & Incognito smartphone in a candybar phone guise with a incredible camera and D-Pad or TouchScreen navigation?
Furthermore are more applications for Consumer or Corporate are going to be co-developed, developed by SE, or enticed by SE for both markets; adamantly?
Cheers.
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I can't believe your still on about HSDPA, SE have taken the P1i, shrunk it down, made it CHEAPER, given it more features and a new CPU, changed the interface, and from EVERY single video I've seen of the G900 so far made it all run faster, but your all still moaning about HSDPA. I bet the G700 is really cheap or free on every tariff and will be on pay as you go, is their a smart phone in the UK on pay as you go that has HSDPA? And as to say why is their no Symbian phone with HSDPA yet, I've no doubt the P5i will have it plus a ton more, I mean SE have put the next technology in the X1 which I didn't even know existed yet.
I just can't see the problem myself as unless it's a full screen phone like the X1 or iPhone then UMTS will be far more then adequate as just how much web browsing are you gonna do on a 2.4" screen?
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On 2008-02-15 23:46:28, apolloa wrote:
...as just how much web browsing are you gonna do on a 2.4" screen?
I am going to do a lot of web browsing on my next phone. I already am doing a lot of phone based browsing on my 2" screen, as well as watching movies, so stepping up in screen size as much as possible is one of my main goals when switching phones next time.
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I don't envy your eyes then hehe. Wouldn't adding HSDPA increase the phones size and weight and price though?
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@Apolloa; This is the only time I ever complained about HSDPA regarding UIQ3.2.
The E90, N95 8GB version, N82 all feature HSDPA. Only the UIQ platforms from SE don't have it. Moto's Z10 has HSDPA.
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Well I still don't see the problem, perhaps due to the fact where I live in Dorset 3g reception is few and far between so HSDPA is a waste of time. Still when I have used 3G I have found it more then fast enough.
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On 2008-02-16 00:31:03, apolloa wrote:
@hansen
I don't envy your eyes then hehe. Wouldn't adding HSDPA increase the phones size and weight and price though?
Watching 2" movies is no problem on the magnificient screens of SE
I would love the increased weight and happily pay the price it would add to include HSDPA in the G series. I too think it's shameful to put these phones on the market without it.
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