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Plane used often by White House carried 13 Bin Ladens out of US post-9/11
Still losing sleep over fears that Osama bin Laden's kin were forced to suffer in commercial coach class when they flew out of the US a week after 9/11? Today's Washington Post should make you feel better:
At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to a passenger manifest released yesterday. One passenger, Omar Awad bin Laden, a nephew of the al Qaeda leader, had been investigated by the FBI because he had lived with Abdullah bin Laden, a leader of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, which the FBI suspected of being a terrorist organization.
The passenger list was made public by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who obtained the manifest from officials at Boston's Logan International Airport. Lautenberg's office was given the document in recent weeks and released it before today's issuance of the final report of the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks. Although much was already known about the "bin Laden flight," Lautenberg provided additional details, including the information that the plane, a 727 owned by DB Air and operated by Ryan International, began its flight in Los Angeles and made stops in Orlando, Dulles International Airport and Boston before continuing to Gander, Newfoundland; Paris; Geneva; and Jiddah, Saudi Arabia. The aircraft, tail number N521DB, has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps traveling with President Bush.
"The Saudi Embassy offered to pay more money if our crew had a concern," [Ron Ryan of Ryan International] said. But he said all were reassured because "the FBI and Secret Service were heavily involved. They were in abundance every place we were."
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Posted: 2004-07-23 06:47:18
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On 2004-07-23 06:47:18, axxxr wrote:
Plane used often by White House carried 13 Bin Ladens out of US post-9/11
Interesting article there. But I'm curious - does it indict anyone at all or say anything at all about the Bush administration? If it tends to incriminate or even hint at indiscretion I'd like to know where. Can anyone help me with this? Just curious as to how this article is germane at all to the topic of this thread.
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Posted: 2004-07-23 20:24:17
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On 2004-06-04 23:04:25, KiMcHeEbOi wrote:
... already you depict yourself as a racist. There is no one stupid as a racist. Muslims are people too...Would anyone be able to tell me how someone who dislikes, hates, disrespects, or otherwise is contrary to Muslims is a racist?
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Posted: 2004-07-24 17:39:40
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On 2004-07-21 02:48:15, axxxr wrote:
What happened to the American freedom of Speech & the land of the free?
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On 2004-07-21 09:07:51, Sammy_boy wrote:
That Linda Rondstadt story is very worrying - the supposed home of free speech seems to be censoring it. Sounds like there's a lot of brainwashed people out there in the US - we need someone else to challenge them as a superpower - bring a bit of balance back into this world.
Please sir - can we have our empire back!!??
Censorship? You mean when a bunch of people come to enjoy a night of entertainment by a singer and get a political speech and demand something be done it is censorship? Linda Rondstadt has and always will have the right to express her political opinions so long as she is an American. What she doesn't have the right to do is demand that her employer keep her on their payroll to use their time to espouse her political point of view. Doesn't she have enough money and fame to make political statements on her own time and dime?
Brainwashed? You mean people who don't want to hear political diatribes when they are expecting singing? Honestly Sammy-boy! Just because they don't agree with her and were upset to hear her using their evening of entertainment to forward her political agenda doesn't make them brainwashed.
How happy would you be if I was a well known singer (I know – just imagine) and you paid money (big money) to spend several hours listening to me sing – only to have me go into a political lecture like this one on you? Would you be unhappy? If you did something like walk out or express your anger to the management would it be fair for me to call you
brainwashed? If the management responded by taking my "one night contract" and refused to allow me to stay at their expense any longer and perform in the future – would they be guilty of censorship? Maybe they were just guilty of pandering to their brainwashed customers?
As far as "someone else to challenge [the US] as a superpower" … How about the European Union? The EU seems to be shaping up rather quickly to equal or surpass the US in raw economic and cultural might. Although I honestly wouldn't care for such a "changing of the guards" I'd be much happier seeing that happen than China or some fundamentalist Muslim theocracy rise to superpower status. And besides – it would be interesting to see how the EU responds when every other country, including the US, looks to it to solve all the world's problems. It's not easy meeting everyone's expectations when you're the big kid on the block. And what is this you speak of "Empire" … LOL
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Posted: 2004-07-24 18:01:33
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@patrick - wow, you've been busy typing!
Good point about the Linda Rondstadt thing, although it does still seem like a bit of an overreaction by the management.
There's a lot of debate in the UK about joining the EU fully - and I very much doubt there will ever be a federal Europe - if there is, I'm not sure the British people want to be part of it. And me? Not sure. Juries' still out on Europe. And as much as many people would like Britain's empire days back, it won't happen, the world's changed too much. That kind of imperialism is obselete now, times they have changed. I was only joking with the 'empire' comment. Anyways, we're going off topic a bit here!
I'd give a slightly more detailed reply, but it's past 2am here in Blighty and I'm knackered!
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Posted: 2004-07-25 03:20:38
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On 2004-07-25 03:20:38, Sammy_boy wrote:
@patrick - wow, you've been busy typing!
Good point about the Linda Rondstadt thing, although it does still seem like a bit of an overreaction by the management.
There's a lot of debate in the UK about joining the EU fully - and I very much doubt there will ever be a federal Europe - if there is, I'm not sure the British people want to be part of it. And me? Not sure. Juries' still out on Europe. And as much as many people would like Britain's empire days back, it won't happen, the world's changed too much. That kind of imperialism is obselete now, times they have changed. I was only joking with the 'empire' comment. Anyways, we're going off topic a bit here!
I'd give a slightly more detailed reply, but it's past 2am here in Blighty and I'm knackered!
The simple fact that I'm here posting on a Saturday night just goes to show how much of a life I
don't have!
"Knackered" - it's a new one to me. Go get some rest - and I look forward to your expanded thoughts when you have the time to share.
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Linda story, there's an update:
Ronstadt To Return to Las Vegas
Quote:Linda Ronstadt is set for a speedy return to the casino she was reportedly ejected from last weekend - for a performance with filmmaker Michael Moore. Ronstadt's run of shows at Las Vegas, Nevada's Aladdin complex was brought to a halt on Saturday after she dedicated a song to Moore, the controversial director of Fahrenheit 9/11 - upsetting fans who disagreed with the filmmaker's movie attack on American President George W Bush. Many fans walked out of the show and some ripped down posters in protest. Ronstadt was later escorted from the premises. But, thanks to negotiations between the Recording Artists Coalition and the prospective new owners of the Aladdin Theater, Ronstadt is slated to return to the venue later this year. And she'll be taking Moore with her. In a letter to the Aladdin management, Moore stated his disappointment in the decision to axe Ronstadt's shows and offered to duet with her on "America The Beautiful" if the singer was invited back. He plans to make good on his promise. Planet Hollywood boss Robert Earl, the prospective new owner of the venue, says, "We hope to be approved by the Nevada Gaming Commission to become the new owners of the Aladdin Resort in Las Vegas as early as September 1, 2004. Upon the assumption of ownership, and with a new management team in place, we would like to offer the use of the Theatre of Performing Arts to Linda Ronstadt for a second concert and further to take Michael Moore up on his offer to join her on stage to introduce her and sing a song."
Do I agree with her going back to the Aladdin? No - but hey, it's up to the management of the Aladdin, isn't it? At least in the future the people attending her show will have a hint of what the show might include and those that seek not to be hit up with politics can go elsewhere with their entertainment dollar. I'm sure her show will still be a big hit on the Vegas strip.
And as far as the EU goes - I bet it is an exciting debate. I'd love to be a part of it. I wonder what it would be like if the individual states had to decide to join the union under the US Constitution all over again. It would be a bit scary even, I'm sure. The one thing the states had in common though was strong cultural similarities. Individual European nations have such cultural differences. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how they may come together to form a stronger whole. I happen to think the bi-polar global political scenario with the EU being the other "pole" would be very good for the world indeed. It's absolutely fascinating. But I'm a political junkie!
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Posted: 2004-07-25 08:50:02
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I'm glad there's some common sense returning with that update on the Linda Rondstadt story! Despite what I said, I'd rather politics stayed out of music anyway - no matter what side of the fence they're on. I find it tedious when 'celebrities' start banging on about their latest religion/fad/political beliefs/etc, especially when they get changed more often than their underwear.
With regards to the EU, there's some debate on it here in the EU forum in the regional: Europe, Asia,etc. threads. One problem that a lot of people have in the UK is that we have an economy that has more similarities to the US than mainland Europe, countries in which have more socialist governments, which would dominate the EU, and the eurosceptics argue this will be bad for Britain as things like interest rates would be pegged at the same rate by Brussels. So, if Germany's economy is struggling but the UK's isn't for example, they could alter interest rates to favour Germany, but could have negative ramifications for Britain.
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Posted: 2004-07-25 12:00:55
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Posted: 2004-07-25 17:24:26
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Posted: 2004-07-25 17:56:08
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Patrick can you please not post any John Kerry pics in this thread!..This is G.W.BUSH thread and only pics or articles about him can be posted here.If you wish you can always start your own John kerry thread.
Cheers!
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Posted: 2004-07-26 05:11:01
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