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Exactly. The only time my WM device crashes is when I'm testing apps. When apps cause instability I remove them and don't use them. No matter how tempting they are, I'm not prepared to have a crashing device just for some small luxury. The beauty of WM is that if an app is crash worthy, there will be another app out there that does the same thing without crashing. So there is no need to put up with such things.


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Posted: 2008-08-21 07:37:46
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Pity then you have wasted your precious envy on something I dont possess. I can get by with T9 even at my typing speed with most of the stuff I do on the phone like sms, email, IM or calling. I dont need to write my monthly report or assignment on the phone but who does that on the phone anyway. I think many like me, can easily sacrifice the qwerty keypad for better specs like camera, video capture and lighter weight/smaller size. No wonder the HTC Diamond and the Omnia are selling like hotcakes.

The vanilla WM is very stable. I very seldom have crashes with my Atom Exec.... BUT the caveat is that you dont run any 3rd party apps but that really defeats the purpose of the phone . I find that generally S60 is more stable and robust with 3rd party add-on apps (esp those background/daemon apps) than WM.



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Posted: 2008-08-21 08:12:12
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@mib, so that big debate we had a while ago where you argued against qwerty on the basis you could t9 faster than someone could type on a qwerty was just a story to win the argument then? (got ya)

re: WM, I don't know, I run a fair few apps on my WM. What I don't do is have a lot running in the background. I have useful apps that I start when I need them. On my i780 I have atleast 40 odd apps installed. 256/128mb memory so lot's of space onboard, plus I install most apps on memcard, so I don't have a ram problem.

I run a task manager, and a couple of (stable) today screen apps in the background and don't have any problems.

My experience is that today screen apps or background utilities are the biggest killrs of WM so I avoid all but the most stable.

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Posted: 2008-08-21 08:20:56
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Crashes are most likely when not well optimized 3rd party software is installed. It shouldn't be normal. I too have owned 3 windows mobile devices, and with the last 2 of them I never had any common crashing issues. What comes to the panels interface, I believe that's not going to be anything to mention, aren't they just shortcuts ?? I have convinced my self that the Touch Pro's new 3d interface is much better, and much more integrated to the actual system.

The reason why YOU would think that the devices have not been sold in huge numbers, is only that they have been sold for business use, as WM is/was business oriented OS. HTC has sold the devices directly to big companies in large quantities, for employees to use it as a work phone. And also that WM wasnt planned to be a "phone"-OS, so that's the reason why it's evolution has gone this slow - to become a usable phone OS. Another thing is of course that HTC didn't use to have huge enough brand, and now they do, with SE.

IMHO we are facing now the turning point where finally the WM devices are made available to all people. They are nice to use, much more solid than symbian ever was, still having the possibility to be the most flexible os. A lot of software and all kinds of tweaking available. May I ask you, why do you think cellphones in general weren't sold in large numbers before they were ready to face the public and marketed well? (oh it seems I already answered my own question )

ps. and btw, I'm not here to defend X1. SE can go to hell if you ask me. (because the failed to actually sell the device):) I'm, going for the HTC Touch Pro. But what you are saying was about WM in general, so I felt a sting..

[ This Message was edited by: Rakdoll on 2008-08-21 07:28 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-21 08:22:49
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@mib

Maybe you should stick to SYmbian then, I have 53 apps on my phone and no crashes, some apps with memory leaks or improper coding cause crashes. Its upto personal judgement which app you'd like to install and keep on your phone where WM is concerned. If you're judgement is flawed in selecting apps, dont blame the platfrom. Stick to Symbian which will spoon feed you your apps.

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Posted: 2008-08-21 08:23:14
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Absolute nonsense, as others have pointed out - you may have picked up a Pocket PC for five minutes in 2002, but that doesn't make you an expert. WM6 (and 6.1) on my Tytn II has been probably the most stable smartphone OS I've ever used, I'm not sure it's ever crashed.

The reset button is there for resetting, which is necessary to apply configuration changes sometimes. I've never had to use it for anything else.

I'm not interested in the X1 (it's old news) and I'm not even that wedded to WM (I'll probably have an Iphone next, and keep my Tytn II in reserve), but WM is still a very fine mobile OS, whatever people like to think about Microsoft. I'd take any WM device over S60 any day of the week.
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Posted: 2008-08-21 08:48:06
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You didnt. I can't type faster with qwerty either. Most phone qwerty is too small for 10 fingers typing so you left with at most 2 thumbs typing which I cannot do well because you need more concentration and effort to look at the keypad and move/position your thumb(s) with more accuracy than on a T9.

If you are not a phone report writing junkie then a qwerty may not figure prominently as an important factor. If a consumer is presented with 2 phones, one with a qwerty and the other T9 keypad and all else being equal you may surprised that he/she may not pick the one with qwerty.


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Posted: 2008-08-21 08:57:42
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I stick to Symbian not just because of that. I also value the hardware specs like camera/video rec capability which still can't be beaten on the n-series. The i900 omnia nearly make the cut and which I may buy once the price comes down from the stratosphere.


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Posted: 2008-08-21 09:08:06
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Any more news on UK release date? Anyone?
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Posted: 2008-08-21 12:58:37
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Not surprised at all. I agree, for the average consumer. But for the dead zone consumer (those who fall into all three categories: entertainment/communication AND information) or for those who fall primarily into the information segment, then the qwerty is usually one of the primary requirements.
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Posted: 2008-08-21 13:58:13
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