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Amongst all that huff and bluster you make some valid points Scots
. however NO-ONE is saying you CANNOT smoke, what is being done are measures that will ensure that YOUR choice of pleasurable pastime does not impinge upon others who do not quite share your delight in inhaling noxious fumes or having their lifespan potentialy shortened by proxy!!.
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Posted: 2007-07-20 16:47:29
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there was a story in the paper where a woman that smokes now has to go outside on her own when out with her non smoking friends, who didnt have a problem with her smoking before. now she gets separated and is surrounded by strangers outside. the poor womans saftey is at risk especially in certain areas...
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Posted: 2007-07-20 16:54:10
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but she still chooses to smoke rather than be safe?
I have to admit that I've been a member of the wavy hand brigade on occassion, but only when smoke was directly coming to me. trouble is that I'm a smoke magnet and even if I move the smoke alwayscame to me!
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Posted: 2007-07-20 16:56:53
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she could do but should we all do things when forced to by the government?
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Posted: 2007-07-20 17:00:51
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I guess it was a rhetorical question, but from what you have written it sounds like that story was trying to push the fact that she was now in danger because she is a smoker, which seems ludicrous when she still has a choice not to put herself at risk, although the fact that she is smoking she is already at risk
are a bunch of strangers all sharing a common cause (i.e. smoking outside) really going to present a danger?
and can't the friends go outside with her if she is at risk? they should if they are her friends!
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Posted: 2007-07-20 17:09:32
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Oh good a few points to respond to here (note the word 'few' means that I am about pontificate. Go get a drink, a snack maybe, perhaps a smoke if you are so inclined
and settle down).
@mweb
My right to smoke is being impinged because I am being restricted unnecessarily. As I have suggested before, why not allow dedicated smoking establishments? If people choose to work in them or visit them then that is their choice. No non-smoker will be forced to attend them so they will not have to breathe second hand smoke. Why impose a draconian law upon everyone despite the fact that a suitable compromise exists?
I can't enjoy a cigar after a meal, which partly ruins the meal for me. I enjoy food a great deal, and I enjoy the rituals surrounding food and fine dining. I enjoy dressing for dinner; I enjoy using obscure cutlery to scrape meat from a crab's knee joints; I enjoy discussing my wine selection with the sommelier; I enjoy ordering exotic dishes; I enjoy a glass of port with my cheese; I enjoy toasting the health of Her Majesty the Queen; I enjoy relaxing after the meal, and I jolly well enjoy puffing on a large Churchill as I relax!
What do I do now? Sometimes, and this may shock you, I simply skip brandy altogether! Yes that's right I simply don't bother with a brandy after dinner! I'm sorry if that offends anyone's sensibilities, but without a cigar what is the point in sipping a fine cognac after a meal? It's just not done! Does the government care? Apparently not! When I do have a brandy in a restaurant my hand aches for the feel of a mighty Bolivar and my lips cry out for the sweet caress of a firm Romeo Y Julieta. If I want to enjoy that part of the meal I have to dash off home and break out the brandy and cigars at home. So whilst non-smokers can smile, giggle, wave, take in great lung bucket fulls of clean air, and waffle endlessly about how mountain clear the air is as they sit back, unfasten their smoke free belts, and relax after their meal whilst still in the restaurant I, and other smokers, either have to carry our drinks out into the street like whinos or scarper back to our 'smoke filled dens' just to conclude our evening!
I was in London recently, just before the ban came into force in England, and I dined at my father's club. What a delight to be able to smoke in the restaurant! The cigar waiter brought the selection over and it was such a pleasure to once more experience that archaic and empowering ritual of selecting one's Havana from the humidor and, after it has been cut (I do prefer a hole myself (oooer!)) and lit by the waiter, to have it sitting gracefully in its ashtray at my side softly warming until I can remove the band without damaging the body (a Briton should never leave the band on, it's showing off and crass); never demanding, but always commanding respect and appreciation as a fine example of a well made cigar rolled on the thighs of a Cuban peasant woman that imparts untold pleasure. Even when it's life is near its end it still imparts joy as one can then take part in the ritual of allowing one's cigar to die with dignity; one never murders a cigar, rather one simply allows it to fade gently out of existence, the cigar happy in the knowledge that it has performed its function, and performed it well.
It was a disgrace that I had to cross the border to experience that simple pleasure! Of course now I can't in England either! Good on the club owner though, he's planning a roof top smoking terrace.
The rights of non-smokers are impinging on my right to smoke. I don't want to impose my smoking on others, I would settle for a separate room or a dedicated establishment. Is that too much to ask? For the governing bodies of the UK apparently it is! This country is being ruined by interfering do-gooders who should jolly well mind their own business. It's utter nonsense of the highest possible degree! Yet another intrusive poke into our lives from this government. The sooner they are booted out the better in my opinion. We don't need to be told how to run our lives by the government or by bureaucrats, we are capable of doing that ourselves thank you very much!
Another point to make is that one can't smoke in one's own home if there is a council official there who objects! In one's own home! It's madness! Utter madness! Goodness knows how we got into this bally nonsense, but someone has to stand up and put a stop to it! When Churchill was invited to lunch with the King of Saudi Arabia he was told that alcohol and smoking would not be permitted at the lunch, to which Churchill replied "I must point out that my rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after, and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them." Huzzah and double huzzah I say! That's the sort of attitude we need more of these days!
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2007-07-20 17:57 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-20 18:32:06
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@ Scotsboyuk
Why dont you write a whole page about you and your pipe
I smoke only at the weekends when i am drinking apart from that i do not smoke.
During the week i dont find cigarettes all that appealing!
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Posted: 2007-07-20 19:03:15
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Nice story Scots, If they ever want to do a remake of "upstairs downstairs" i will point them in your direction
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Posted: 2007-07-20 20:10:50
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This guy is a hero:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6908530.stm
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Posted: 2007-07-21 00:46:40
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@mweb
I've stayed in the building next to the one that was used for Upstairs Downstairs.
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Posted: 2007-07-21 05:04:48
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