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I just checked and the C902 has HSDPA as does the C702 and the W980 does NOT have it. Confusing approach to it's models so I can see your points but I suppose SE think you'll blog the photos taken with the camera orientated phones hence the need for HSDPA?
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Posted: 2008-02-16 00:45:40
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@apolloa
The problem is there is NO SE smartphone tailored for business users that would benefit most from a data centric technology such as HSDPA. I'm not going to get a cybershot nor a walkman phone for my business. Oddly it has been made available for target groups that don't even care about the data edge that they have, for instance, there's no need for HSDPA for blogging, a basic 3G would be more than sufficient. This is where it has gone so wrong. And in case you do not know, I can have internet speed faster than a broadband connection or 3G by up to 10 times on my laptop simply by plugging in a HSDPA enabled phone to it, anywhere, anytime for a fixed rate of 25 euro a month, no 'small screen' problem there. That's why some of us are really sick and tired of waiting for the past 2-3 years.

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Posted: 2008-02-16 02:38:48
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If my perceptions are right, do you know an SE smartphone named X1?
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Posted: 2008-02-16 04:07:21
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@mode, I admit you do have a point about coverage, but I still don't think HSDPA utilisation is deep into the market as you perceive. Most people/businesses have a landline internet connection and only use their phone for phone type internet uses (not laptop via phone) and 3G is sufficient. Despite coverage I still think HSDPA is somewhat a niche market, even in Europe. Using your mobile as the sole internet connection is also still niche.

BTW, landline internet in Australia is ADSL2 (ie: 20-24Mbps) whereas HSDPA is mostly 3Mbps (it's very rare for the operators to be providing full theoretical 14Mbps HSDPA speeds), so Landline is still superior to hsdpa. I expect in Europe it's much the same.

Even in Europe, very few business would be in a position where mobile phones can be used for the office internet connection. A business needs a permanent landline internet connection - and most businesses imho (not all, but most) 3G is more than sufficient for roaming laptops.

I would say your case is an atypical one. And more power to you too. But I just don't see that it's so unacceptable of SE to have failed to penetrate the HSDPA market as deep as you are saying they should. I think if at the end of this year they haven't announced more HSDPA phones though then they will be shooting themselves in the foot, but they still have a little leeway imho.


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Posted: 2008-02-16 04:17:46
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In case you haven't noticed, I mentioned 2-3 years, and that's already taking into account the X1 debut, that's the vacuum SE left for us now that even the G-series has disregarded HSDPA
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Posted: 2008-02-16 05:40:51
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@max_wedge
If HSDPA is so niche, please tell me why K850 and W910 has it, I'd really like to know
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Posted: 2008-02-16 06:01:21
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although i don't quite need HSDPA, as where i live, the 3G signal is the only thing available for high speed internet. but when i go out of town, i wish it's a HSDPA enabled mobile phone. so it's always nice to have HSDPA, since the difference in speed is quite significant
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Posted: 2008-02-16 06:13:37
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I'm saying that SE believe that the market is niche enough to only warrant two HSDPA phones rather than across their whole range.

Maybe they are wrong; I think that for some users they are wrong, but the majority of mobile users won't miss hsdpa for atleast another 18 months, therefore SE can afford to wait a little while before ramping up hsdpa. It's a numbers game. So you don't like their reading of the numbers, then buy an N95.

SE has a budget and limited resources and have to concentrate effort where they see the best return. Whether they are right or wrong in their strategies, it's not "unacceptable". They are doing what they think addresses the highest number of people (to increase marketshare). I happen to believe they have the correct strategy. Even if they are wrong I don't see the need for anyone to have sour grapes about it.

So you don't get what you want in SE, then go to another OEM. No one is stopping you. Man, I myself have a WM smartphone and I'm one of the staunchest of SE defenders around here. But I fully respect anyone who turns to a competitor when it suits them. That's the free marklet and that's the way it works best - when consumers buy what suits them not by what brand it is. This drives true consumer demand and in return we get what we want. So by all means if another phone company has a phone that suits you better then buy it. But if even given the lack of HSDPA you are still drawn to the G series more than any other manufacturers handsets, then it just proves how good SE phones are
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Posted: 2008-02-16 09:22:34
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Whoaa nelly...not need to get all "go to another manufacturer" on me. Look, my last 3 lines of reply makes more sense than your short novel back there. Data centric technology on a business oriented smartphone= makes sense. Data centric technology on a camera phone/music phone= makes no sense
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Posted: 2008-02-16 09:52:25
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Guys,
HSDPA will be the standard, sooner or later.
The fact is that probably Symbian 9.1/UiQ 3.0 cannot support HSDPA, that's why Gseries does not have it.
UiQ 3.1 (Z8, Z10) support it, but it seems it's designed for non-touch screens.
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Posted: 2008-02-16 10:21:47
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