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Hawk12 Posts: > 500

Xz1 was 8.0 out of box.
They will consider like it was 7.1, but updated few days later to 8.0.
Also XZP was 7.1.
Probably XZ3 stays with android 10.


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Posted: 2019-08-28 20:43:47
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Lonewolf223 Posts: 361

Dxomark is just plain rubbish

They are always late to review sony phones and even miss out on reviewing some phones like xz2 premium

I remember z2 being the chart topper back in the day

The only site i refer to nowadays is gsmarena at least they are not so biased.

People should either read gsma reviews or watch YouTube videos to know the real performance of sony devices
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Posted: 2019-08-29 05:34:30
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Tsepz_GP Posts: > 500


On 2019-08-28 18:08:16, tai020381 wrote:

On 2019-08-28 16:41:42, xpr wrote:
https://www.dxomark.com/sony-xperia-1-camera-review/

DXOMARK proves once again that their scoring system is based on manufacturer payments rather than camera assessment.

Those who pay directly or indirectly (indirectly = purchasing DXO's software) get the good results.

Pathetic to point that certain youtubers are more reliable than DXO.


And we always wonder why xperia phones score always appears late and low score, whereas Samsung and iPhone scores updated come released super shortly after they launch the sales of the phones. Exceptionally fi$hy and $u$piciou$ huh ~



Huawei, Apple, Samsung, OnePlus are popular brands and get reviewed quickly as they should, while HTC, Sony, LG etc... are not so big and would not bring great readership.


Doesn’t really mean anything other than the fact that Sony are still doing an average job.
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Posted: 2019-08-29 15:48:59
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Hawk12 Posts: > 500

They say more popular devices have review done faster.
But Pixel is not popular, OP is not popular nor HTC.
All them have lower total sales than Sony.
Even U11 and U12 had review published few minutes after their events.

I refuse to believe X1 is worse than 2017 iphone 8 that has no zoom nor bokeh.
Or even device from Smartisan.

Z1 was #2 or #3 in 2013.
Z3 was #3 in 2014
Z5 was #1 in 2015
X Perf was #2 in 2016
XZ was #3 in 2016

Probably same people still work there.
Tons of coincidence the scores are low with new protocol.

They also say they take tons of photos, I doubt those they posted were the best ones.
Even Z series reviews have better samples.



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Posted: 2019-08-29 17:16:07
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hgautam Posts: > 500


On 2019-08-29 17:16:07, Hawk12 wrote:

Even Z series reviews have better samples.



That's also the fact.... I have photos from my Z1, Z3 that are far superior in quality to photos from my Xperia X and XZ....

Pixels and One plus are 1000 times more popular than sony these days... And I think the sooner the manufacturer sends their device to DXO, the sooner the review will come. If they don't send a phone to them then they will need to purchase one which is expensive to buy and difficult to source and that I think is the reason for late X1 review.
[ This Message was edited by: hgautam on 2019-08-29 17:13 ]

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Posted: 2019-08-29 18:02:54
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xpr Posts: 329

Pixel sells less than Sony
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Posted: 2019-08-29 19:01:38
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Hawk12 Posts: > 500

I dont buy the story that current phones do that better compared to older ones.
I dont think difference is as big as sites and companies want us to believe.

Mine has lots of corner softness, all Z do.
But if I take close ups of bugs you can clearly see the segmentation of the antenna, that crickets legs have little spikes.
And also dont know where the oil painting story comes from.
None of my photos have it. Not even the ones at 20.7MP.

Only think I would change on my phone was to have manual mode and better HDR.
Backlit scene makes photos ugly, like they were at iso400 when it is iso50.

@hg i think it is suspicious that they get a device at least 2 weeks before its announcement for tests while the device will take about 1 month more to hit stores. No way the software is ready that early.

My theory is that they take few shots, if they dont few satisfied they delay the tests and go to work on another device.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-08-29 19:08 ]

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Posted: 2019-08-29 20:03:41
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sambouka Posts: 260

[And also dont know where the oil painting story comes from.]
This is the stupid soft snap, which kills me... In many situations in auto mode
Using x1 and previously xz3
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Posted: 2019-08-29 22:54:12
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Ppl Posts: > 500

Go see gsmarena's samples, s and note 10 have worse corner softness. And these are taken on auto. See the X1 S10 comparison article and look at the trees especially, S10 has an oil painting effect a lot stronger than X1. I think it was tech spurt's video which X1 had better 5x zoom than S10. I don't think it's a coincidence dxo only used Huawei for this comparison.

X1's weaknesses are hdr and too wide aperture. You can get very similar results even on jpeg with post processing. I wonder how much is it is actually stacking and how much of it is just tweaking.
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Posted: 2019-08-30 06:18:39
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Archdragoon Posts: > 500

The thing that's extremely annoyed me is that the behavior to destroy the detail when take the HDR photo and the detail around any LED. Also there's a lot of noise visible which is not so good for 2019's flagship.
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Posted: 2019-08-30 06:59:10
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