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G700/G900 is a disappointment when the platform is from 2005. Why not build on new spec instead of three year old one? They want make as much money as possible.
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Posted: 2008-02-17 01:55:21
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Why is it a disappointment, it doesn't have a 2005 platform to begin with, and secondly, don't be fooled by the touchscreen because it's not even high end if you're expecting much, much more out of it & it's the first of its kind so I'd say it is at the very least, not a disappointment. Some things might be disappointing, but I think it's far from a disappointment

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[ This Message was edited by: mode on 2008-02-17 01:31 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-17 02:25:22
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Hmm, tell me from what year is then?

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Posted: 2008-02-17 03:22:00
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Actually, while the OS is from 2005, the platform has been significantly revitalised with a finger touch interface, and not only that, the segment traditionally has hardscreen A200 platform, and now has a finger touch UIQ platform, which imho is quite a big improvement, so your argument that the platform is stale doesn't hold up.

Besides why change something just for the sake of it? When I buy new PC's for business customers, I order them with Windows XP, because that is the best OS at the moment for business use. Vista may be out there but it's not always the best choice for every situation.
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Posted: 2008-02-17 03:46:27
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Say what? Have you actually seen the g900 action? You that is from 2005? Please...
@max, i fully agree with you...in fact i think its clear the g series will replace the k series, and that is HUGE for uiq.
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Posted: 2008-02-17 03:47:14
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@max_wedge: What's this speculation about SE strategies and marketshare? Are you working for them? Frankly I don't give a shit about their profit or sales. I just want a Symbian phone with HSDPA, WiFi, GPS and possibly 5MP camera with flash. If they won't offer this in 2008 I will go somewhere else. And so will 1000's others. So much for their strategy.

It is more than clear that technical reasons are behind the decision to not include HSDPA, and NOT the strategic ones. Because it makes much, much more sense to include HSDPA in a smartphone than in a cybershot (K850). So all talk about some smart, incomprehensible strategy here is a bull...

For all those that don't need nor use HSDPA right now keep in mind this: it's not NOW we are talking about. These phones will be available in several months from now. Then the high initial price and insufficient deliveries due to high demand will hold you back from acquiring one for another few months. Then you are expected to use this phone for at least 2-3 years. Are you telling me that you know for sure you won't be needing HSDPA in 2010 or 2011?

[ This Message was edited by: Saka on 2008-02-17 03:13 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-17 04:04:14
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dude, take a chill pill.

1st of all, strategy is tied to finances is tied to economic decisions about what hardware should be included and what hardware can be delayed without affecting marklet pentration too much. No phone oem can bring out all the latest hardware features in one phone, and certainly not in mid range handsets. Something has to be left out.

2nd just because YOU think HSDPA is the bees knees, doesn't mean the market as a whole will stop buying phones that don't have HSDPA.

3rd, no matter what phone you buy now, in 6 months there will be some new technology that will make you wish you had waited. There is no way to future proof a phone purchase for the next 6 months, let alone 3 years. If you think you are going to need a HSDPA phone, then buy one, no one is stopping you.

As I said before, for those that need HSDPA, you either like what SE have or you go elsewhere. There is no shame in that. If you want to go elsewhere do so, no one cares.

As to whether there will be so many who need HSDPA so desperately (and who aren't happy with a K850, W910 or X1) that they will go elsewhere and affect SE's marketshare drive, I disagree with you, and only the market will prove either of us wrong or right.

re: "Frankly I don't give a shit about their profit or sales" - well, SE give a shit about it, infact it's their whoile reason for existence. And if SE deicded that they can survive without HSDPA in G series, then I'm sure they have good market based research to support that strategy.

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Posted: 2008-02-17 04:27:13
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I don't think I need to remind you that there are phones on the market with both Symbian, GPS, 5MP cam, WiFi and HSDPA right now, even DVB-H. Although little too big. If the only answer you (or SE) can give to us, so far faithfull SE fans is "go to them", then that's the worst move ever.



I agree. SE's market share is now, what, 9%? I guess you know what it used to be once (counting Ericsson).



Well, the above market share witness about amount of bad decisions they took. Not that this was a strategic decision at all, it was a pure technical one, as said.

[ This Message was edited by: Saka on 2008-02-17 03:59 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-17 04:56:55
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Yes but of those phones you mentioned, most have no touchscreen So in one area atleast (in the post-iphone days remember) SE have a heads up on the industry leader. I think you will find the general public will get excited about the G series touch UI and won't even notice the lack of HSDPA

btw, don't lump me with SE. I am no fanboy, I'm just a realist. I mean it when I say go to another manufacturer. Why bitch about something SE have decided to do? Utilise your power of demand and buy elsewhere. In the long run, if all the people you say will desert g-series, do so, then it will give SE a wake up call and they will sort the problem out.

That's how the free market works. No one takes it personally. Companies live or die based on how well they read the market. If people are loyal to a company no matter what, then how is the company supposed to read the market accurately? This is an example of how brand loyalty can actually weaken a company if too many buyers are buying only because of a name.

In the long run I think we will find the SE decision to leave out HSDPA won't significantly affect their market penetration with the G series.


At Ericsson's exit from the mobile phone market, they were about 9%, Sony about 1%. In the first couple of years marketshare (of SE) dropped to 5.4%. But after a rough start they have steadily climbed back up and are continuing to grow. I think they have done alright considering that Ericsson was declining anyway (they were having supply issues affecting handset numbers and wanted to off load the mobile handset business).


Not really. All technical decisions are made based on the limited resources available, otherwise ALL phones would have the latest of everything (and life would be boring). SE have to decide if the market is is really prime for HSDPA or not before commiting resources to that arm of development. It's not a technical issue, ie: that SE can't make HSDPA phones, since they have made two already.

If no one uses much HSDPA between now and say 18months time, then the HSDPA inclusion will been have wasted on all but a small marketshare like yourself (I think when you calculate HSDPA useage, you must realise that only a small percentage of people with HSDPA phones actually utilse HSDPA speeds in their usage?)

Atleast I believe that's the line that SE have taken, since it would explain nicely why they have not bothered to put HSDPA in G series. This makes more sense than the idea that they simply didn't care about their customer. The fact is a company like SE who are actively seeking new marketshare, cannot afford to make decisions that aren't based on market research. I would sugges they have better access to market research than you or I about HSDPA and it's use? Therefore I conclude SE have a reason for their actions based on their belief about the status of HSDPA in the current (+6months) market.

Personally I find it ludicrous to presume that the G series will be a flop because it doesn't have HSDPA. Most of the world is still getting used to ubiquiteous 3G, let alone HSDPA.

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Posted: 2008-02-17 06:44:29
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@max_wedge
I myself find it unlikely that the G-series will be a flop without HSDPA actually. But I don't think putting HSDPA in a cam phone and a walkman phone instead of SE's business smartphone models up to now is a marketing strategy. A good marketing strategy is incorporating the best technologies to the target group that would benefit most out of it. HSDPA is data technology, data technology is the lifeline of communication and communication is the name of SE's business. How can they brand a cutting edge data technology as "not yet viable" if they expect to be leaders in communication? HSDPA is too futuristic? Too ahead of its time? Too niche a market? C'mon we all know that to be highly unlikely, if it's not viable yet then it shouldn't be in any of SE's phones right now. The problem is technical which is UIQ and they're just not doing as much as they should. They happened to throw in WM and whaddaya know, the ever illusive HSDPA is now in a smartphone. Oh, btw it's also in a non-UIQ camphone (WTF?) and walkman phone (WTFF?). Go figure.
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Posted: 2008-02-17 08:50:15
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