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But as Rachael's already so out of date
I love how you try to pass opinions off as facts.
For the uninitiated, Boinng's lips begin where Steve's bottom ends.
Carry on.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 14:55:57
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On 2010-04-01 13:48:18, Boinng wrote:
Sure, you can argue that the X10 has a better camera, or a better screen (though that last is kind of doubtful), but that doesn't "age" the Nexus One, at least not in the same way that the lack of MT will agressively age the X10 over time. Both these phones have cameras and screens, but only one will have multitouch, and only one will be able to run the next generation of Android apps (and indeed Android itself) with all the multitouch features as intended. Nothing ages any computing device faster than not being compatible with the latest software.
Luckily, neither X10 nor Nexus One will get Android updates so far ahead that they are based on multi-touch, so that's not a point.
The best UX and the best camera won't make an Android phone that can't run the latest Android apps futureproof. Likewise, I don't see what a bad camera has to do with anything - a bad camera is a bad camera, same now as it was then - the point is, that original iphone and it's crappy camera can still run the very latest version of the iPhone OS complete with the vast majority of apps in the appstore. In three years time, the X10 will be at least two OS behind (what are the chances of Android 3 not being completely MT from the ground up?) and probably won't run anything in the Market. And it's camera will be laughably out of date..
The cam won't be out of date cause they are not really developing anymore with that and in three years time most X10s and Nexus One's will be recycled, at some large pile of junk or in some closet. Cause you know, most people who buy phones like this ARE interested in new technology and WILL update their phone every one or surely every two year.
And you don't like to manipulate pictures, you have a PC for that. And you don't like to zoom in documents, you have a magnifying glass for that. And you don't like to be able to type more easily, and you'd rather not run the latest apps, and you don't want the next big Android update, etc etc..
You know, I can manipulate pictures, zoom in on documents, type pretty easy and run the lastest apps on my X10, WITHOUT multi-touch
You know the amazing thing about hands? They have more than one finger and a thumb on them. Think about it.
Ever tried multi-touch gestures with the same hand you hold your phone with? Indeed, it sucks
You name me anything you might want to do on your smartphone, I'll give you an example of how developers might well implement multitouch in the interface for it.
Sure, you can implement multitouch in everything, but does it really makes it more easy or fun to use?
Oh, and I'm not saying the X10 the super phone and I'm not happy with all thing in it. (as you could read in my review, which i'd call pretty critical:
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/[....]Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X10.html) You know, I'd even be really if they would ad multitouch, but it's not that essential and it does not really matter with aging.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:02:49
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On 2010-04-01 14:55:57, synn wrote:
But as Rachael's already so out of date
I love how you try to pass opinions off as facts.
"Rachael" is based on an old version of Android that even SE know they need to update as a priority, and is now revealed to be lacking a key hardware feature that's present on even the oldest Android phones, and utilised by Android 2. Which of these is an "opinion"?
For the uninitiated, Boinng's lips begin where Steve's bottom ends.
Carry on.
Fanboi bile won't save the X10, synn.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:09:47
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Luckily, your needless bashing won't break it either
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:11:02
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"Rachael" is just like Sense or MotoBlur. It will be updated periodically to work with newer versions of the OS. If you don't know the difference between a UI and an OS, go get educated and save yourself some embarrassment.
As for the feeble, second comment, let's wait a few months and see how the vote of the wallet turns out.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:12:43
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@synn
Well said. I couldn't guite grasp what bonng was getting at there. rachael outdated, just because it's running on 1.6? don't think so.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:19:34
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On 2010-04-01 13:34:40, Arne Anka wrote:
On 2010-04-01 11:35:08, Nitro Fan wrote:
I am not impressed to hear
have been sneaky & cheap using a plastic screen and yet claiming it is mineral glass!
It probably is mineral glass, however there is a shutter proof sheet glued on top of the glass (the sheet is hard to notice if you are not aware of it), which possibly may give a plastic feeling. This is mentioned in the wihte paper and has also been confirmed by many Swedish X10 owners (see link below if you can read Swedish). It also seem to be removable if you don't like it.
http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237172&st=4530
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2010-04-01 12:36 ]
That's good thanks for the heads up.
At the moment I am thinking "sit and wait"
My XM5800 is super, it does everything I ask of it and I am out of commitment in June so I could keep it and drop in a real cheap data and talk SIM only rolling 30 day contract deal.
Just at the moment The X10 seems to be all about how great it will be when this and that is made available for it in other words it seems like its incomplete and that shiny black plastic just looks cheap and nasty reminds me of an old treo
I got mugged by Sony Ericsson last time round with the P910, we just got the P10 and we were told buy the P990 its everything the P910 is not or should have been and right now I can genuinely see it happening again with the X10 and I am not that keen to get a new handset.
I want to see how good the EVO is before I make a decision (assuming it comes to the UK)
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-04-01 14:41 ]
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:20:23
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On 2010-04-01 15:02:49, domipost wrote:
Luckily, neither X10 nor Nexus One will get Android updates so far ahead that they are based on multi-touch, so that's not a point.
Newsflash - Android 2 on the Nexus One
already supports multitouch at the OS/application level. The Nexus One has also received official updates enabling pinch-to-zoom in various in-built apps. The Droid is getting the same (the Milestone has had pinch-to-zoom since launch).
That's now. In fact that was last month, or indeed earlier - eg, prior to the X10's release. Now how long do you really think it will be until multitouch features become even more embedded in Android 2 and the apps designed for Android 2. Bearing in mind that Android 2 was released last year, what are the chances of Android 3 (which we'll likely see by the end of this year, eg just a few months down the line) supporting multitouch even more? Looking forward to getting Android 3 on the X10? I wouldn't.
The cam won't be out of date cause they are not really developing anymore with that and in three years time most X10s and Nexus One's will be recycled, at some large pile of junk or in some closet. Cause you know, most people who buy phones like this ARE interested in new technology and WILL update their phone every one or surely every two year.
As an Android smartphone, the X10 will be seriously out of date by the end of this year - not in the harmless way in which it's camera might be a bit naff or its processor a little slow, but in the depressing sense that it simply can't do what everyone else will expect an Android phone to be capable of by then. It's share of the available apps will be reduced, and its user experience will significantly lag behind even older smartphones. By the end of two years, when people's contracts end, those users will be wishing it was landfill already.
You know, I can manipulate pictures, zoom in on documents, type pretty easy and run the lastest apps on my X10, WITHOUT multi-touch
Using the built-in apps designed for the phone. In a year's time, when you find you can't update to the latest version of [insert name of app you really like] here because you haven't got multitouch, you won't feel so clever.
Ever tried multi-touch gestures with the same hand you hold your phone with?
Yes, and pinching a picture or webpage with the finger and thumb of the hand you're holding the phone with is actually very easy. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
Sure, you can implement multitouch in everything, but does it really makes it more easy or fun to use?
The simple answer would be yes, generally it does, but the thing is, it doesn't really matter what personal objection you might have against it - in reality developers love it, it's a slick and easy way to implement controls on a phone which has little or no controls otherwise, and that means it will get implemented both across the OS (as it already is being) and across the apps designed for that OS. Bear in mind, once it's updated, the X10 may well be the only Android 2.x device not to have hardware support for MT.
You know, I'd even be really if they would ad multitouch, but it's not that essential and it does not really matter with aging.
Like I said before - nothing ages faster than hardware that's no longer compatible with software. The X10 is already not fully compatible with Android 2.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:29:34
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Yes, and pinching a picture or webpage with the finger and thumb of the hand you're holding the phone with is actually very easy. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
In other news, Eric Cartman proved that if you stuff food up your ass you'd shit through the mouth.
nothing ages faster than hardware that's no longer compatible with software.
Nyah, your posts, which have the same content since the very first one, have aged significantly faster.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:39:47
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On 2010-04-01 15:12:43, synn wrote:
"Rachael" is just like Sense or MotoBlur. It will be updated periodically to work with newer versions of the OS. If you don't know the difference between a UI and an OS, go get educated and save yourself some embarrassment.
"Rachael" isn't like Sense or MotoBlur, "Rachael" is simply the codename for the X10. You're thinking of the Timescape/Mediascape software (otherwise known as the UX platform), which happens to run on Rachael. Way to go on saving yourself any embarrassment.
I don't doubt Timescape will get ported in some form to a future SE Android flagship (if one ever exists), but once you strip away the OS (out of date) and start catering for the next hardware design (drop all the zoom bar workarounds and implement full multitouch for example) the idea that this is still "Rachael" under the skin becomes rather meaningless.
As for the feeble, second comment, let's wait a few months and see how the vote of the wallet turns out.
It might actually be healthier for SE not to sell too many X10's, frankly.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-04-01 14:46 ]
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:43:06
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