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So MW600 only come in black? Does that black with my white X10? I can't have that. Does anyone want to buy it from me? I'm thinking of getting the IS8000 headset or using my white Aino's bluetooth set.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:43:32
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On 2010-04-01 15:43:06, Boinng wrote:
"Rachael" isn't like Sense or MotoBlur, "Rachael" is simply the codename for the X10. You're thinking of the Timescape/Mediascape software, which happens to run on Rachael. Way to go on saving yourself any embarrassment.
It has been stated several times by several people with autority on the matter that Rachael is actually the codename for the UI and not the handset as many thought. Google is your friend.
don't doubt Timescape will get ported in some form to a future SE Android flagship (if one ever exists), but once you strip away the OS (out of date) and start catering for the next hardware design (drop all the zoom bar workarounds and implement full multitouch for example) the idea that this is still "Rachael" under the skin becomes rather meaningless.
...and the idea of three generations of phones with significant hardware changes still being called the "iPhone" doesn't bother you?
*facepalm moment of the day*
It might actually be healthier for SE not to sell too many X10's, frankly.
it might actually be healthier for the collective braincells of Esato members if you stopped posting.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2010-04-01 14:49 ]
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:46:59
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On 2010-04-01 15:29:34, Boinng wrote:
Newsflash - Android 2 on the Nexus One already supports multitouch at the OS/application level. The Nexus One has also received official updates enabling pinch-to-zoom in various in-built apps. The Droid is getting the same (the Milestone has had pinch-to-zoom since launch).
You got me wrong there, buddy. I meant that both won't be so far updated that they will see updates form Android that are really based on multitouch and require it. You can run Android 2.1 without multitouch too, though it has multitouch support
That's now. In fact that was last month, or indeed earlier - eg, prior to the X10's release. Now how long do you really think it will be until multitouch features become even more embedded in Android 2 and the apps designed for Android 2. Bearing in mind that Android 2 was released last year, what are the chances of Android 3 (which we'll likely see by the end of this year, eg just a few months down the line) supporting multitouch even more? Looking forward to getting Android 3 on the X10? I wouldn't.
True, Android 3 will come probably this year and maybe both devices will get an update. And yes, it will support multitouch to a larger extend than Android 2 does now, but it won't need multitouch. So yes, if I'd have an X10 when Android 3 comes out, I'm looking forward to using it on the phone.
As an Android smartphone, the X10 will be seriously out of date by the end of this year - not in the harmless way in which it's camera might be a bit naff or its processor a little slow, but in the depressing sense that it simply can't do what everyone else will expect an Android phone to be capable of by then. It's share of the available apps will be reduced, and its user experience will significantly lag behind even older smartphones. By the end of two years, when people's contracts end, those users will be wishing it was landfill already.
Sure, it will lag behind in user experience next to phones from that date. And so will the N1 and the Desire, and so does the Hero now, for instance. The only thing that will change in comparision to other phones is the apps it can run, and that won't be much of a problem probably cause most of the apps can be used without multitouch, and that's now and will be the same in one year time.
Using the built-in apps designed for the phone. In a year's time, when you find you can't update to the latest version of [insert name of app you really like] here because you haven't got multitouch, you won't feel so clever.
Luckily, I have a new phone every week so in one year's time I will feel a lot more clever with my phone than you'll do with your, euh, whatever phone you have now or then. Off course that's only my case, but for the X10 counts the same as I said above, most apps you can use without multitouch. Name a few things you think X10 users will miss out on because they don't have multitouch next year and why they are oh-so-important that you'd better not buy an X10 now?
Yes, and pinching a picture or webpage with the finger and thumb of the hand you're holding the phone with is actually very easy. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
The funny thing is, I tried it on more phones than you'll ever do and I still don't like it.
The simple answer would be yes, generally it does, but the thing is, it doesn't really matter what personal objection you might have against it - in reality developers love it, it's a slick and easy way to implement controls on a phone which has little or no controls otherwise, and that means it will get implemented both across the OS (as it already is being) and across the apps designed for that OS. Bear in mind, once it's updated, the X10 may well be the only Android 2.x device not to have hardware support for MT.
Name a few examples.
Like I said before - nothing ages faster than hardware that's no longer compatible with software. The X10 is already not fully compatible with Android 2.
Which does only out itself in zooming, typing a bit faster and some apps which aren't essential. Who cares!?
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Posted: 2010-04-01 15:50:33
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On 2010-04-01 15:43:32, Ricky D wrote:
So MW600 only come in black? Does that black with my white X10? I can't have that. Does anyone want to buy it from me? I'm thinking of getting the IS8000 headset or using my white Aino's bluetooth set.
I was thinking along the same lines but I'll keep hold of the bundled MW600 for a while in case I can't live with them.
Slick white X10 deserves slick white earphones to match.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:08:57
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On 2010-04-01 15:50:33, domipost wrote:
You got me wrong there, buddy. I meant that both won't be so far updated that they will see updates form Android that are really based on multitouch and require it. You can run Android 2.1 without multitouch too, though it has multitouch support
Again, you're wrong - the Nexus One has already seen "updates from Android that are really based on multitouch and require it" - they just won't be coming to the X10.
At the moment, the OS has slightly buggy support for multitouch - it's not used widely in the UI (outside of those stock apps that Google have updated for the N1) but the support is there for developers to use. And they are starting to use it. When Google iron out some of the bugs (which they're bound to do soon) more developers will use it, and then more still, and you'll soon have a crop of Android 2 apps in the Market that not only use multitouch, but will be completely unworkable without multitouch. The X10 will be unable to use any of them.
At the very least, that will soon mean few if any games for the X10. Naturally that won't be a problem for anyone here, all of whom carry their PS3 everywhere, but it'll be a bummer for everyone else.
True, Android 3 will come probably this year and maybe both devices will get an update. And yes, it will support multitouch to a larger extend than Android 2 does now, but it won't need multitouch. So yes, if I'd have an X10 when Android 3 comes out, I'm looking forward to using it on the phone.
I think you're wrong. More to the point, I think the chances of Android 3 running well or running any apps on the X10 are pretty much zero.
Sure, it will lag behind in user experience next to phones from that date. And so will the N1 and the Desire
Not in the same way - the N1 and the Desire might be a little slower than contemporary phones, but they'll still run all the apps. They still run all the games. They'll still do everything that's expected of an Android phone. The X10 won't, simple as that.
Luckily, I have a new phone every week so in one year's time I will feel a lot more clever with my phone than you'll do with your, euh, whatever phone you have now or then.
And to be honest, that's pretty much why I find your opinion on this fairly unconvincing - at the end of the day you don't really care how this phone fares full time, and you've probably only a little idea of what it's like to be saddled with a two year contract on a smartphone that's out of date after six months. For most actual, real, people, this phone will be a significant investment in both time and money - and I think those people will end up quite disappointed with SE over this.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:15:05
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I'd really prefer a recent comment from Sony on the matter. Afterall, back in November they also said that it was hardware multi-touch capable and we now know that proved to be wrong.
So what basic specs of the phone are still up in the air:
Color depth of screen hardware (is it in fact 16M color capable?)
Screen material (is it in fact 'mineral glass', or simply 'scratch resistant'?)
I've tweeted
SonyEricssonCA and
SonyEricssonNA asking (not that I expect a response as they've ignored my questions up until now).
Any others?
[ This Message was edited by: saltorio on 2010-04-01 15:28 ]
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:21:39
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On 2010-04-01 15:46:59, synn wrote:
It has been stated several times by several people with autority on the matter that Rachael is actually the codename for the UI and not the handset as many thought. Google is your friend.
The UI is called UX, simple as. Google is my friend, and Google agrees with me.
...and the idea of three generations of phones with significant hardware changes still being called the "iPhone" doesn't bother you?
iPhone is an OS and a platform in the same way that Android is - how is that confusing? In fact, the lack of any significant fragmentation on the iPhone platform means the 3GS has a lot more in common with the original iPhone than the Nexus One does with the G1.
*facepalm moment of the day*
I actually worry for your health, sometimes.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:23:08
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Currently thinking of getting one of these as bday gift. Accepting gifts from you guys
Nah, just kidding. I want to know how much money I'll have by that time. The phone is not available here though.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:26:01
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Oh on the release date and pricing front,
MobileSyrup.com posted the following today:
Update: Rogers Xperia X10 to be priced at $149.99 on 3-year
Rogers sent out an e-mail last week with an update that the “Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 is almost here” and said we’ll be able to pre-order their newest Android device soon.
We have a quick update and have been informed that the X10 will be priced at $549.99 without a contract and $149.99 on a 3-year contract. Also, the rumour floating around about the launch date is set between the April 7th and 14th.
We’ll have more info soon!
Hopefully it's not an April Fool's joke.
[ This Message was edited by: saltorio on 2010-04-01 15:30 ]
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:30:13
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'Rachael' was the working name for the Sony Ericsson's UX platform before it was launched, which is what we see layered over the OS as the UI. This will be subject to updates and will evolve as the OS does.
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Posted: 2010-04-01 16:36:33
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