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On 2008-09-16 06:31:35, NimmyxHuynh wrote:
On 2008-09-16 06:15:57, >500 wrote:
needs to be a site with international shipping.
http://www.expansys.com/
does international shipping. seeing how i'm from the states and expansys is located in the UK (well, the one i'm pre-ordering it from).
I think they should ship to Melbourne as well.
[ This Message was edited by: NimmyxHuynh on 2008-09-16 05:32 ]
I believe the Swiss expansys site is the cheapest and they do international shipping at about £20-25 if I remember correctly.
Unless you count play.com who have it in @£500 + free p+p..
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2008-09-16 14:01 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-16 14:57:06
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The webcast sucked!!
oh man, there weren't a lot of screen time for the Xperia. I mean, the dude didn't even show us other panels nor did he utilize the camera functionality of the xperia.
I guess, it's all up to the user to witness everything for themselves. XPERIAnce (har har har) the Xperia for themselves.
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:02:37
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On 2008-09-16 04:24:52, pinguino2 wrote:
On 2008-09-16 03:44:05, WhyBe wrote:
So does anyone have any details of the Webcast for those of us who are awaiting for it to be posted?
Hi WhyBy. You will get your toy soon.
The Webcast was not the circus we expected, It seemed improvised. out 34 minutes they took 15 minutes just talking about the Johnny-X commercial. They have a SE guy who's been using the Xperia for 7 month and spent most of the webcast just taking how Fine, Exclusive the Xperia is and the enphasis was on the Panels as a way to personalise the device, how progresively it matches your personality, the way you work the way you live. True but a lot of BS for every ones expectation.
The stupid thing is that the guy's phone is a very old version, so it was slow as you has seen before.
SE is very secretive for all questions about future version, WM7 etc were answered with "No comment at this time"
They confirmed increase in memory from 256 to 384mb, flash support, opera 9.5 . no TV ot, no tilt sensor, Battery use was compared to a small laptop lasting 1-2 days as opposed to 4hrs. Keyboard has dedicated key for different languages. Shipping to stores beginings right now.
Bottom line. Nothing that you don't now already. In fact the Unwired video is more exciting. Switching landscape/portrait is almost instantlaneous.
However the feeling left is : I GOT TO HAVE IT THIS IS SOMETHING UNIQUE
[ This Message was edited by: on 2008-09-16 03:29 ]
What is a tilt sensor :-S ?
And has tha batterylife been improved ?
Peace
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:06:26
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I'm not too convinced that the SDRAM was increased to 384MB. Maybe he was actually referring to the remaining flash ROM (512MB total) available for programs/panels and files?
The only thing that looked slow to me was the icon shortcuts loading onto one of the today screens. Everything else looked satisfactory.
As far as better devices being available, I think that's nonsense. Yes there are devices with a spec or two that may exceed the X1, but
overall, there aren't any yet. Touch Pro/Diamond/HD are definitely the closest but they don't have the special software support and ecosystem that the X1 is going to have, leaving them pretty much as "also-rans".
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-09-16 14:23 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:21:01
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On 2008-09-16 14:21:23, Jabe wrote:
Obviously we have a different understanding of what outdated means.
Actually, nobody's used the word "outdated" here apart from you. The X1 is not outdated yet, it's a current generation Windows Mobile phone, no more and no less.
You asked, somewhat incredulously, if there were higher spec phones out there - and the truthful answer to that is yes, there are.
For me it sure does not mean that every single specification has to better than anything else. If that is the case we do not have a decent phone on the market today, they are all outdated.
"Outdated" is a tricky thing to define, but since you bring it up, the X1 is likely to become outdated reasonably soon. Windows Mobile 6.1 will soon be replaced by Windows Mobile 7, for example, with a whole new UI that may or most likely may not come to the X1. The shelf life of the X1 is already shorter than that of near-identical models like the Touch Pro which are already shipping worldwide. Windows Mobile itself has been made to look seriously old and backward by the likes of the Iphone OS, and Android, due for release very soon, and it's unlikely that Windows Mobile 7 will completely overcome that.
On top of that, you have the far more powerful mobile processors from Nvidia and Intel just around the corner, not to mention Qualcom's own Snapdragon, and the complete revolution they're about to bring in multimedia and gaming in the new year... yep, the X1 is a real dead end. Another so-so WM device flogging the same, years old horse. But hey that's okay right? It's almost the best at the moment?
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-09-16 14:25 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:24:49
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On 2008-09-16 15:24:49, Boinng wrote:
On top of that, you have the far more powerful mobile processors from Nvidia and Intel just around the corner, not to mention Qualcom's own Snapdragon, and the complete revolution they're about to bring in multimedia and gaming in the new year... yep, the X1 is a real dead end. Another so-so WM device flogging the same, years old horse. But hey that's okay right? It's almost the best at the moment?
What's the point of bringing up next-gen devices that aren't even near being on the market yet? Unless their OS'es address the @ss-kicking iPhone is putting on the industry, those ultra fast processor and graphics won't mean anything. The next-gens will have to be well-designed devices that consumers want (great experience and ecosystem). That's the tough part for companies, not out-megahertzing each other.
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:34:53
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On 2008-09-16 09:17:30, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-09-16 04:01:32, pinguino2 wrote:
Very simple. The YOUTUBE video is done with an old ROM built. It is not yet optimized. Take a second look at the UNWIRED video. Read the text. It has a newer ROM close to final production. The improvement in speed is obvious.
It makes absolutely zero sense that the expert guy at SE, making a well publicised webcast, would be using a phone with an old ROM build. In fact it's far more likely that it's this new and improved September build that prompted the recent flurry of reviews and demos.
The really obvious difference is that the SE guy uses the phone, it's already running in his pocket at the start, he doesn't boot it up on screen like the unwired reviewer. A running phone, that's actually loaded up with user data and being used as a day to day phone, is always going to run slower than a review model that's just been rebooted, and has only been played with anyway.
Put it this way, I use a year old WinMo phone right now, and having seen all the X1 videos, I don't feel like I've seen anything new. It's just another Qualcom powered WinMo smartphone, with the same old so-so performance. Even the Panels seem familiar in a sense, just another kludgey mish-mash of a UI perched on top of WinMo, full of inconsistencies and pointless eye-candy (how many different clocks can one phone need??) - it just all seems very dated to me.
You are right. It makes absolutely zero sense that a SE guy who doesn't know a hut about marketing, came unprepared and with a pre-production device to a global webcast. Did you you watch the Webcast?
I have a video taken 1hr and 15 minutes before the Webcast started. They were discussing with the SE guy what to say, while the techs were testing the signal.
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:39:08
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do you know this link
http://xperiancers.com
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:40:12
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On 2008-09-16 15:21:01, WhyBe wrote:
As far as better devices being available, I think that's nonsense. Yes there are devices with a spec or two that may exceed the X1, but overall, there aren't any yet. Touch Pro/Diamond/HD are definitely the closest but they don't have the special software support and ecosystem that the X1 is going to have, leaving them pretty much as "also-rans".
Hard to believe, but I think you're over-egging the pudding a little here - you seem to be forgetting that Windows Mobile itself has immense software support and a huge eco-system - SE's Panels is just a transitory, and so far unsupported adjunct to that. Even if it takes off and becomes a must have (and there's anything remotely worth having as a Panel that's not made available standalone for every other WM phone) you can bet someone over at XDA will rip out the Panels code and make it available for every other phone anyway, the WM eco-system is like that.
Calling phones like the Touch Pro "also rans", when the TP is already in shops and selling well and the X1 hasn't broken out of Youtube yet, is frankly a bit silly. The X1 has run nowhere yet, in fact it's not even walked.
Looking at the Touch HD, if that launches this year which seems likely, that's a genuinely ground breaking WM phone with a feature set which is literally class-leading, and an instant consumer-friendly WOW factor which the X1 has never been able to boast. On top of that, it's come completely out of nowhere, compared to the long drawn out soap opera that is the Xperia line. It may well be about to make SE's painful efforts irrelevant.
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:51:37
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On 2008-09-16 15:39:08, pinguino2 wrote:
You are right. It makes absolutely zero sense that a SE guy who doesn't know a hut about marketing, came unprepared and with a pre-production device to a global webcast. Did you you watch the Webcast?
I have a video taken 1hr and 15 minutes before the Webcast started. They were discussing with the SE guy what to say, while the techs were testing the signal.
You've lost me. What's your point? The SE guy (who I've seen speaking in connection with the X1 before) was undoubtedly rubbish in the webcast. That doesn't mean he's going to be running around with old firmware on his X1. He heads up the X1 project, regardless of the webcast he will have been testing and using the very newest software available, that's his job.
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Posted: 2008-09-16 16:13:37
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