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On 2005-07-15 11:41:34, 786KBR wrote:
@ scot
I think and know the world DOES exist, the planets and galaxies animals and insects, they all exist....
but thats my thinking, not to be bad, disrespectfull or rude but that concept sound a bit Matrixy!
In Buddhism things exist. I exist as a collection of atoms and thoughts and experiences. The physical world exists as a collection of atoms. But I am unable to objectively see the world or myself... everything I see or experience *I* create - I am unable to see things as they really are.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 11:52:11
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On 2005-07-15 11:41:34, 786KBR wrote:
@ scot
I think and know the world DOES exist, the planets and galaxies animals and insects, they all exist....
but thats my thinking, not to be bad, disrespectfull or rude but that concept sound a bit Matrixy!
I suppose it does a bit!
What I mean is that what we percieve is not actually real. Even our perceptions are not real. We percieve planets; we percieve galaxies; we percieve sunlight and everything else our senses tell us exists. However, these are manifestations of the Tao.
I shall give you an analogy:
Imagine a man who has spent all of his life in isolation with no contact with any living creature. He lives in a room and knows of nothing outside that room. What sort of reality will he construct for himself? What rules will be make? What will he use to explain his life and his 'universe'? He will have to create his own reality and beliefs, completely seperate from the rest of the universe.
Now that reality that the man creates is not 'real'. It may be to him, but it isn't to us. He may believe all sorts of things that we know to be false. Because the man cannot percieve, that which is beyond his immediate vicinity he takes that to be his entire universe.
Think about reality for a moment. How do you know that galaxies are what you are told they are? You rely upon others to build your picture of reality. How does a blind man know what the colour red looks like? How does a deaf man know what a bird singing sounds like?
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-07-15 10:57 ]
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Posted: 2005-07-15 11:54:52
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There is a wee quiz
here, which aims to tell you, which religion you are most closely associated with based upon your answers to a series of questions.
Please post your results here and remember, it's only a bit of fun!
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:09:22
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My Results:
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Mahayana Buddhism (94%)
3. Liberal Quakers (92%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (88%)
5. Neo-Pagan (83%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%)
7. Taoism (79%)
8. New Age (76%)
9. Hinduism (73%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (69%)
11. New Thought (61%)
12. Secular Humanism (61%)
13. Bah�'� Faith (60%)
14. Jainism (57%)
15. Scientology (50%)
16. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (49%)
17. Orthodox Quaker (48%)
18. Sikhism (42%)
19. Nontheist (38%)
20. Reform Judaism (38%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (36%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (34%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (28%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (23%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (16%)
26. Islam (16%)
27. Roman Catholic (16%)
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:22:29
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Interesting results
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:24:51
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I am a Unitarian Universalism (100%)
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:25:16
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@Peter Kay
Yes the results are rather interesting. It would appear I am more Buddhist than Taoist!
Then again, they are compatible in many ways.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:26:58
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That was quite a thought-provoking quiz.
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Theravada Buddhism (91%)
3. Liberal Quakers (89%)
4. Secular Humanism (83%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (78%)
6. Nontheist (61%)
7. Taoism (60%)
8. Mahayana Buddhism (59%)
9. Bahá'í Faith (57%)
10. Neo-Pagan (57%)
11. Jainism (54%)
12. New Age (45%)
13. Orthodox Quaker (45%)
14. Hinduism (45%)
15. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (42%)
16. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (40%)
17. Sikhism (39%)
18. Jehovah's Witness (36%)
19. New Thought (36%)
20. Reform Judaism (33%)
21. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (28%)
22. Seventh Day Adventist (26%)
23. Scientology (24%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (17%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (14%)
26. Islam (14%)
27. Roman Catholic (14%)
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:29:42
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True and interesting @scotsboyuk
Anyways this is another verse from the Holy Quran regarding creation.
Chapter 2 Verses 164/165 state:
"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
Yet there are men who take (for worship) others besides Allah, as equal (with Allah.: They love them as they should love Allah. But those of Faith are overflowing in their love for Allah. If only the unrighteous could see, behold, they would see the penalty: that to Allah belongs all power, and Allah will strongly enforce the penalty."
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:29:55
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@absin
That's interesting that we both have Unitarian Universalism at number one; a form of Buddhism at number two and Taoism at number seven.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 12:33:22
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