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Bonovox Posts: > 500

Is it OS's that are restricting the camera quality do you think?? Symbian seems to work well with cameras maybe not so with WP & Android.
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Posted: 2012-11-27 21:59:02
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reeflotz Posts: > 500

@cu015170

personally I'd say it has nothing to do with the OS, any company can develop a dedicated hardware that will process the picture captured by the sensor regardless of what OS you have and then the hardware will just give it to the OS as the finished jpeg product.

You know just like those TV tuners with recording capabilities? they instantly record and output it into mpeg format, all done in real-time because of dedicated hardware, unlike if you use a software based solution, it will first record it, then convert it before you get the mpeg file.

If you ask me, the reason why they didn't improve the camera was because, Sony and Samsung also sell digital cameras, Sony selling some DSLR, so of course from a business point of view why would you kill your own market? Nokia can improve cameraphones as much as they could because they don't sell any digital camera.

also how many common people are very picky when it comes to photo quality? there are people whose priority on a phone apart from calls and text are internet browsing, email, games and music, and they only use cameraphones for the occasional snap. So companies will have to prioritize which is a good investment for research that will give them profit in the end, which is why phones are getting slimmer and lighter but have bigger displays which is what most people want now. Looking at nokia now, they weren't able to sell that much anymore even though they did something truly innovative and exceptional, because that is not what is in demand right now by the people. I hardly even see people having an 808, most I see are carrying a samsung, iphone, HTC and sony.

I can see that your standards in imaging is very high, you said "there hasn't been even one single proper cameraphone" after android came, but for me, the Xperia X10 Mini pro, Xperia S, Xperia P, Xperia Arc, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S3 are proper cameraphones pixel peeping aside. You can print standard 3.5inx5in photos of decent to good quality using those phones too.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2012-11-28 07:26 ]

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Posted: 2012-11-28 08:21:56
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etaab Posts: > 500

There has been a couple of Android phones which are aimed at being proper cameraphones, the most obvious of which was 2010's Motorola XT720. It was Motorola's answer to the Satio.

Sadly it was a bad phone inside and out.

reeflotz probably has the best guess, that Nokia didnt make cameras where the rest did and did not want to canabilise their own compact camera sales.
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Posted: 2012-11-28 18:23:39
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cu015170 Posts: > 500


On 2012-11-28 18:23:39, etaab wrote:
There has been a couple of Android phones which are aimed at being proper cameraphones, the most obvious of which was 2010's Motorola XT720. It was Motorola's answer to the Satio.

Sadly it was a bad phone inside and out.

reeflotz probably has the best guess, that Nokia didnt make cameras where the rest did and did not want to canabilise their own compact camera sales.


That is a very good point, and I've always thought that Sony and Samsung had to balance out their smartphones with their point and shoots, which isn't the case for Nokia, Apple, and HTC for example.. but when the Satio and the Pixon came out, those two can easily rival most of the P&S both companies had on sale at the time, and they still sold them.. given, the impact of those would not have been as significant as an android based device in the current market conditions, but still.. that doesn't explain the complete lack of proper camera phones from both companies.

By proper I mean Xenon+Bigger senso+better optics.. that's mostly what you can do in a smartphone anyway.

The OS has a huge impact on imaging, and you can see a perfect example of it with Nokia's Windows NT offering currently on sale.. if they could have easily ported the PureView system from the 808 to windows phone they would have done it right away.. that would stamp their authority on imaging right away, and they will sell a lot of phones. Obviously the size is not an issue.. the 920 is bigger and heavier than the 808, and no one seems to mind..

Just watch how long it takes for Nokia to make PureView pro work on Windows.. they have the whole set up ready to go, the module contains all the necessary hardware because it has the companion chip needed for the extra processing built into the camera module.. so.. what's stopping them ?
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Posted: 2012-11-28 22:12:05
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etaab Posts: > 500

Someone here said it was something to do with kernels and such, may have been in this thread.

But im with with reeflotz, i think if they really wanted to Nokia could stick the 808 camera in a Windows Phone. It may cost more but i dont think its at all impossible. I just think Nokia's new image of sleek and sexy Windows phones does not involve massive camera humps. They're simply competing with Apple and Samsung now and dare not stray from the stereotypical slim profile.
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Posted: 2012-11-28 23:15:54
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Bonovox Posts: > 500

True but the 920 is hardly what you call slim
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Posted: 2012-11-28 23:19:00
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etaab Posts: > 500

It is.

Unless you compare it to what id call ultra slim phones. Anything thats under 1cm i consider ultra slim. Apparently the 920 is 10.7mm thin, compare that to my N8 which is 12.9mm and i consider that slim.

We've all gotten so used to seeing phones like the SGS3, iPhone 5, HTC One X etc all having sub-1cm waistlines that anything more seems fat !!
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Posted: 2012-11-28 23:28:37
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cu015170 Posts: > 500

I mentioned the kernels.. and yes, it will be really hard to port the 808 system to a monolithic kernel.

As far as slim goes.. I completely agree, anything below 13mm is slim enough. My iphone 5 is too thin.. I think 11-12 is perfect.
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Posted: 2012-11-29 02:28:03
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reeflotz Posts: > 500

Well if you mention Xenon flash proper cameraphone, true that android will have a problem but not because of compatibility, but I think its battery life, symbian is a much lighter os, yes your point about the OS is a factor too just I don't see it as a major factor to prevent them using pureview on WP. As for better optics and sensor they can equip it if they want to, although to be honest its kind of hard to imagine a thicker android phone must be because we are used to too slim phones as you guys said. In fact I agree phones today are too slim, easliy slips off my hand.

Anyway I don't think 808 is the last one, pretty sure they're not going to waste their research. I agree with etaab "they're simply competing with Apple and Samsung now and dare not stray from the stereotypical slim profile." Kind of like playing it safe for now.
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Posted: 2012-11-29 05:13:44
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etaab Posts: > 500

Not many of us would use a Xenon flash enough to drain a battery proportionately quicker than someone using a LED flash or not using one at all. Surely ?
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Posted: 2012-11-29 11:03:49
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