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On 2015-01-14 15:10:45, motvikt wrote:
What would they gain with a joint venture?
Now, I don't consider myself an expert like the rest of you, but wouldn't there be money, distribution and marketing channels to be gained from a joint venture? Not to mention the risk is diversified over two or more companies rather than one.
One big problem with Sony is that Kaz Hirai is a marketing guy, not an engineer. Like the rest of Sony he thinks useless crap like "Exmor r", "bravia engine" or other meaningless branding names will fool people and save them some money when they choose cheap components in their products. Consumers are not stupid.
Cheap components such as? What? Displays is all I can think of.
And do you honestly think that Hirai personally signed off on the smartphones with poor displays? Do you think he looked at the prototypes and said "Yes, this will do perfectly!". What would you have had him do instead? Cancel the release of the Xperia Z and Z1 and tell them to fix it? I guarantee if they had done that you would have been up in arms at the fact that they hadn't released a smartphone in well over a year. Not to mention all the costs attributed to the development of those phones wouldn't not have been recouped, because the phones wouldn't have even been given a chance to sell and generate some revenue.
He's the CEO. He doesnt just concern himself with the smartphone decisions. He has so much other stuff to be concerned about - like keeping the company alive.
Under Hirai, the imaging division has seen enormous success. PlayStation has shocked the industry with the sales numbers of the PS4.
If in your mind Hirai is responsible for the engineering failures in smartphones, he should be credited for the engineering successes of the other divisions.
You're right that there were some engineering failures with the Z and Z1, so blame the engineers who designed it. Kaz doesn't exist to do their job for them. Blame the head of Sony Mobile Communications if you must.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2015-01-14 18:25 ]
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Posted: 2015-01-14 18:41:46
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On 2015-01-14 18:41:46, -XYZ wrote:
. Blame the head of Sony Mobile Communications if you must.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2015-01-14 18:25 ]
maybe this is the reason why Suzuki was replaced. I think Kaz is now overseeing the mobile division. Am I right?
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Posted: 2015-01-14 20:28:17
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@XYZ
About cheap components. Well inferior screens compared to competition, lower binned socs (cheaper), cheap camera lenses, low internal storage are the ones I can think of. The engineers are not to blame. Often they want to use the best components available but economy says no. Its a constant struggle in all companies between the engineers and upper management who oversees budget. As long as Sony doesn't commit 100% to their products and say we want to make the best phone possible no matter the cost they will never win any market share.
The CEO is ALWAYS to blame when they release inferior products. You would be surprised how involved they are in day to day work, specially involving flagship products. Kaz should go down to the mobile department and order a phone with "the best of sony", for real this time.
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Posted: 2015-01-14 21:13:29
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Sony had tried joint venture with Ericsson, and in my opinion -and many other people thinks the same- mainly Sony caused the decline of Sony Ericsson, because they had sticking with their mistaken marketing perception.
When they had bought out Ericsson, they had introduced themselves like they would be completely new in mobile telephony, and at the same time they referred to their long time experience, despite of their presence of the previous years was associated by Ericsson's expertise as well.
If they would sell mobile division, Ericsson should buy it. Than we would see awesome Xperias again in terms of design, features, performance, competitive prices
... But, that's just a dream, what never comes true.
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Posted: 2015-01-14 21:30:11
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On 2015-01-14 20:28:17, bronxdude wrote:
On 2015-01-14 18:41:46, -XYZ wrote:
. Blame the head of Sony Mobile Communications if you must.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2015-01-14 18:25 ]
maybe this is the reason why Suzuki was replaced. I think Kaz is now overseeing the mobile division. Am I right?
no, but he put some body else that he trust on the job instead of the ass clown like Suzuki. Z2 screw up should get that guy fired right on the spot.
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Posted: 2015-01-15 00:01:14
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On 2015-01-14 21:13:29, motvikt wrote:
@XYZ
About cheap components. Well inferior screens compared to competition, lower binned socs (cheaper), cheap camera lenses, low internal storage are the ones I can think of. The engineers are not to blame. Often they want to use the best components available but economy says no. Its a constant struggle in all companies between the engineers and upper management who oversees budget. As long as Sony doesn't commit 100% to their products and say we want to make the best phone possible no matter the cost they will never win any market share.
The CEO is ALWAYS to blame when they release inferior products. You would be surprised how involved they are in day to day work, specially involving flagship products. Kaz should go down to the mobile department and order a phone with "the best of sony", for real this time.
Kaz created a something called UX group irc to review and approve all the r&d budget for everything beside the Sony mobile division which he probably expected them to run fine on their own under Suzuki supervision. Same with Sony Pictures and Layton. After what happened after the Z2 supply screw up and delay, he demoted Suzuki and put his own guys into the mobile division, might have been too late at this point.
Also about the cheap components, remember LG said if they go with premium finishes, their phone would have cost 300 more( probably exaggeration), you can imagine that Sony would have to cut corners to keep the price competitive and similar spec setup to have higher quality finishes. Low quality screen was a Z1 issue, Z was the first to have 1080p screen in a lot of regions, I can't imagine they would be cheap. Low bin soc is most likely due to heat than price as for cheap camera lens, I think Z2 camera is great, Z1 uses the same hardware so I dont see where the cheap lens is coming from.
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Posted: 2015-01-15 00:14:58
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Wow, the new mi note pro is probably what sony fans in here wishing for from the next xperia flagship of the year. Too bad xiaomi doesn't release it to the rest of the world quick enough...
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Posted: 2015-01-15 09:11:07
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I dunno, looks pretty average to me...
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Posted: 2015-01-15 09:56:30
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Posted: 2015-01-15 10:20:27
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On 2015-01-15 09:56:30, -XYZ wrote:
I dunno, looks pretty average to me...
which part of the mi note pro is average? most of us here still debating over if xperia Z4 will using S810 or not and if it have 4gb of RAM or not and higher ROM (64gb) , OIS in the camera, better front camera...curve gorilla glass 3 in front and at the back...
hopefully the Z4 will at least match this spec, if not it will be average...
http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/15/xiaomi-mi-note/[ This Message was edited by: wiraperkasa on 2015-01-15 10:22 ]
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Posted: 2015-01-15 11:14:43
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